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are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

From reactions on EF .... I get the impression that quite many expats of USA and UK origin have their sympathies with the SVP. Whenever the SVP wins elections or a vote, they all happily contribute their opinion, but when the SVP loses at least THREE votes on one day, there rather is a bit of silence. Or people either concentrate into side issues of no relevance, OR continue outdated threads with "Filibusters" just in order to negate the defeat of their beloved SVP
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My impression too.
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Who wants to talk about losers?
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Re: are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

I find Blocher to be an absolute scream, I find it utterly hilarious that dudes like Blocher still exist in 2014. new uploads on BlocherTV are more popular in our house than new episodes of "Walking Dead".

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Re: are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

I'm very neutral when it comes to insiders politics. It's precisely something that I have learnt from living in Switzerland for nearly 7 years
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Re: are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

Oh come on Wolli... when the SVP lose it's like.. well, just not news for us. When they win something, yes, we're outraged and some of us have something to say about it.
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Re: are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

I am not racist. I embrace other cultures. Not religion as I am an Athiest but have no problem in those who believe in a god or gods. The SVP party would not be tolerated in the UK but I agree with some of their policies.

Problem now in the Uk is that English, Scotish, Welsh and Northern Irish are treated as the minority and that is not acceptable. If foreign peole choose to live in the UK then they need to learn the language, intergrate and contribute to the economy. I have been here in Switzerland now for 7 years and respect the country and as a not lot of expats have not done made an effort to learn the language. Swiss German and high German.

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Re: are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

UKIP in the UK is pretty similar to the SVP but they dont have political muscle (yet)
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From reactions on EF .... I get the impression that quite many expats of USA and UK origin have their sympathies with the SVP. Whenever the SVP wins elections or a vote, they all happily contribute their opinion, but when the SVP loses at least THREE votes on one day, there rather is a bit of silence. Or people either concentrate into side issues of no relevance, OR continue outdated threads with "Filibusters" just in order to negate the defeat of their beloved SVP
When I am in America I have my own views, that go between both the main political parties. In my home state I do not vote the party, I vote for the individual, and nationally I vote the party, which for me is being a Democrat.


In Switzerland, a lot of people have told me, they thought before they met me I was a 65 year old, pissed off Swiss guy. I am neither. I think the SVP plays on people's old skool fears. And when they put up signs, I have to admit, in the past the more offensive ones I have taken down if they are in front of where I live.


But, do I agree with preserving something if it is working. Sure do.
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I find Blocher to be an absolute scream, I find it utterly hilarious that dudes like Blocher still exist in 2014. new uploads on BlocherTV are more popular in our house than new episodes of "Walking Dead".


Sure, but a Blocherite sits in 10 Downing Street still


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Oh come on Wolli... when the SVP lose it's like.. well, just not news for us. When they win something, yes, we're outraged and some of us have something to say about it.

That YOU are outraged can be believed, but in many cases I have the Impression that they are NOT outraged at all but enjoy the outcome --- at least as Long as the SVP wins --- different when the Social Democrats win


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QUOTE=alanshearer;2293353]I am not racist. I embrace other cultures. Not religion as I am an Athiest but have no problem in those who believe in a god or gods. The SVP party would not be tolerated in the UK but I agree with some of their policies.

Problem now in the Uk is that English, Scotish, Welsh and Northern Irish are treated as the minority and that is not acceptable. If foreign peole choose to live in the UK then they need to learn the language, intergrate and contribute to the economy. I have been here in Switzerland now for 7 years and respect the country and as a not lot of expats have not done made an effort to learn the language. Swiss German and high German.[/QUOTE]


The UKIP in fact IS tolerated in the UK ....- comparisons are difficult. Lots of CH people you met or meet in Britain are English language students, and back in 1972 Britain was still a country up as well as Switzerland at least

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Old 30.11.2014, 19:39
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Re: are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

...or maybe traffic on EF is slow today because it's Sunday...and it's a bit slow every Sunday?
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Sure, but a Blocherite sits in 10 Downing Street still
as distasteful as the media campaigns around MEI may have been, there is without question real momentum behind immigration reform across much of Europe. as there probably should be, candidly.
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From reactions on EF .... I get the impression that quite many expats of USA and UK origin have their sympathies with the SVP. Whenever the SVP wins elections or a vote, they all happily contribute their opinion, but when the SVP loses at least THREE votes on one day, there rather is a bit of silence. Or people either concentrate into side issues of no relevance, OR continue outdated threads with "Filibusters" just in order to negate the defeat of their beloved SVP
I think you are right.
I always suspected that a lot of UK and US expats only moved here because they expected mountains of gold.
The secret plan was:
1. Ensuring that there would be literally buying mountains of gold.
2. Ecopop initiative preventing from more foreigners moving here.
3. Stopping the flat rate tax and generating more tax revenues.

I actually think that all those US and UK expats are secretly sent by Spectre.
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Re: are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

I think the question is more complex than SVP: for or against. First one has to look at the various parties at the local, cantonal, and lastly national level.

I try to keep abreast of local politics, because this level directly affects my daily life here. And in my little village... honestly, in the elections of the last, say, 5-10 years the candidates running as SVP have been the ones who have presented what I consider the more sensible approach to village concerns.

I remember when a neighbor ran for the Gemeinderat. A very nice gentleman, serious, responsible - and a 'weltoffen' Swiss if there ever was one. I was shocked when I saw his campaign poster as this was the first time I had an inkling that this gentleman, who had always been welcoming to this immigrant, was SVP. Until then all I knew of the SVP was the national anti-immigration campaign. How could this open, sophisticated, sensible neighbor belong to such a party? Made me want to explore further.

At the national level the 'politics of fear' both amuses and terrifies me, albeit not in the way intended. But at the village level, looking at schooling, infrastructure, finances - the local SVP often puts up candidates whose stance on the issues seems more grounded in reality and more forward-thinking than candidates from other parties.

So it's a conundrum. The party that is most closely aligned with what I consider good governance at the local level is also the party that at the national level would like to toss this black sheep out on her ear.


Good thing I can't vote.
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When I am in America I have my own views, that go between both the main political parties. In my home state I do not vote the party, I vote for the individual, and nationally I vote the party, which for me is being a Democrat.


In Switzerland, a lot of people have told me, they thought before they met me I was a 65 year old, pissed off Swiss guy. I am neither. I think the SVP plays on people's old skool fears. And when they put up signs, I have to admit, in the past the more offensive ones I have taken down if they are in front of where I live.


But, do I agree with preserving something if it is working. Sure do.

The ideological difference between the two major parties in the USA is still rather minimal. A cousin of me in Houston is right-wing-Democrat (somehow SVP in CH) and his brother in Austin is left-wing Democrat (somehow centrist Social Democrat). Were I living in the USA, my votes would be with the Walter Mondale / Hillary Clinton Democrats
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Re: are EXPATS from the USA and Britain PRO SVP ??

Its preposterous to order one's own personal thinking according to political parties. If you're a foreigner, huddle along with the sullied masses under the auspices of the SP. If you're a Swiss, rise up along with the proud SVP. Forget about the bullshit they feed you, just eat it. Be good white sheep or black sheep!

Fck that, use your brains instead!
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I think the question is more complex than SVP: for or against. First one has to look at the various parties at the local, cantonal, and lastly national level.

I try to keep abreast of local politics, because this level directly affects my daily life here. And in my little village... honestly, in the elections of the last, say, 5-10 years the candidates running as SVP have been the ones who have presented what I consider the more sensible approach to village concerns.

I remember when a neighbor ran for the Gemeinderat. A very nice gentleman, serious, responsible - and a 'weltoffen' Swiss if there ever was one. I was shocked when I saw his campaign poster as this was the first time I had an inkling that this gentleman, who had always been welcoming to this immigrant, was SVP. Until then all I knew of the SVP was the national anti-immigration campaign. How could this open, sophisticated, sensible neighbor belong to such a party? Made me want to explore further.

At the national level the 'politics of fear' both amuses and terrifies me, albeit not in the way intended. But at the village level, looking at schooling, infrastructure, finances - the local SVP often puts up candidates whose stance on the issues seems more grounded in reality and more forward-thinking than candidates from other parties.

So it's a conundrum. The party that is most closely aligned with what I consider good governance at the local level is also the party that at the national level would like to toss this black sheep out on her ear.


Good thing I can't vote.
I know a number of senior SVP politicians (up to Nationalrat) and face to face they are very pleasant people; of course their public policies are quite different from their private persona.
How much they personally believe in their public policies is a good question, no different from senior businessmen who promote policies that further their career regardless of their personal views.

I believe many "EXPATS from the USA and Britain are PRO SVP "; it is the lifeboat syndrome - I am in the lifeboat, time to pull up the ladders.
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I think the question is more complex than SVP: for or against. First one has to look at the various parties at the local, cantonal, and lastly national level.

I try to keep abreast of local politics, because this level directly affects my daily life here. And in my little village... honestly, in the elections of the last, say, 5-10 years the candidates running as SVP have been the ones who have presented what I consider the more sensible approach to village concerns.

I remember when a neighbor ran for the Gemeinderat. A very nice gentleman, serious, responsible - and a 'weltoffen' Swiss if there ever was one. I was shocked when I saw his campaign poster as this was the first time I had an inkling that this gentleman, who had always been welcoming to this immigrant, was SVP. Until then all I knew of the SVP was the national anti-immigration campaign. How could this open, sophisticated, sensible neighbor belong to such a party? Made me want to explore further.

At the national level the 'politics of fear' both amuses and terrifies me, albeit not in the way intended. But at the village level, looking at schooling, infrastructure, finances - the local SVP often puts up candidates whose stance on the issues seems more grounded in reality and more forward-thinking than candidates from other parties.

So it's a conundrum. The party that is most closely aligned with what I consider good governance at the local level is also the party that at the national level would like to toss this black sheep out on her ear.


Good thing I can't vote.

You live in a village of the countryside. And the SVP in parts is successor to some old farmers parties. quite many SVP politicians like Mrs Fuhrer (Kt Zch) are quite well in their judgment. So, whenever I clearly oppose the SVP, I often vote in favour of some of their reps and some of their proposals. As they are on Topic. But when I see some SVPler here opposing new school-houses and the renovation of a Schwimm-Bad, it is obvious to me that they more and more become the Schweizerische-Verhinderungs-Partei




Ooooops, just saw that they changed their position about the Schwimm-Bad from NO to YES in the last Minute -- most likely when most already had sent their voting sheets by mail
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My wife recently had an operation, which involved a temporary colostomy bag, which she hated. It's gone now, but she asked the Spitex lady who came to change the dressings how did people, especially younger people, manage, if they had to wear one for life? One trick, said the lady, was to give the bag a name. One enterprising 24 year-old promptly named hers "Christoph", after Blocher, "because both are full of s***".
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