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What I see is that not all Swiss are white and the ads might be promoting diversity,

Kudos!

Unterwegs zuhause clearly is an ironic satirical word-play and not meant literally. I doubt that it is really understood by the customers
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Unterwegs zuhause clearly is an ironic satirical word-play and not meant literally. I doubt that it is really understood by the customers
A word play yes but why "ironic satirical"? The idea is to emphasise the comfort and reliability of travelling with SBB.
Or maybe I'm one of the simpletons who just don't get it...
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A word play yes but why "ironic satirical"? The idea is to emphasise the comfort and reliability of travelling with SBB.
Or maybe I'm one of the simpletons who just don't get it...

The real problem is that most CH nationals will think / say "just another advertising nonsense"


and NO,. Swiss People do NOT see the advert as hint to comfort and reliability , but simply as stupid








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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swiss_Americans


and here something about SWISS-AMERICANS


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swiss_Americans









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Your knowledge of German is apparently crap.

It actually says "at home, when I travel".

Tom

enroute at home


up to the Interpretation of the Reader






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A word play yes but why "ironic satirical"? The idea is to emphasise the comfort and reliability of travelling with SBB.
Or maybe I'm one of the simpletons who just don't get it...

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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

I have many relatives in the USA, 3rd, 4th and 5th generation immigrants from Switzerland, NY, NJ, AZ, NM- none of the current 3 generations born in CH- but none of them, despite being proud of their Swiss roots, would even think of calling themselves Swiss Americans!

Surprised to see Chevrolet listed as a sport's mand rather than business man.
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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

"I'm a Swiss-American"

About 6,470 results (0.63 seconds)

"I'm an Irish-American"

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"I'm an Italian-American"

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"I'm an African-American"

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"I have no idea what I'm talking about"

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and NO,. Swiss People do NOT see the advert as hint to comfort and reliability , but simply as stupid
I'm not Swiss then. Where can I return my red passport?




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Besides that, Wolli, could you please separate your paragraphs a bit more.



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It's very difficult reading without any line feeds between paragraphs.


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I had Kindergarten teacher who asked us, as 4-year olds to describe various children in the class - when they got to the black child everyone started to stumble and not quite know what to say. She told us, "She is black." Several of us gasped etc. Then she said, "When there is something wrong with being black, I'll stop saying it."
Best thing I have ever heard said about race and probably the best attitude.
Actually, there's nothing wrong with being a b*stard. I mean, it's not the b*stard's fault his or her parents weren't married. We're not living in the middle ages when such a concept was inherently offensive. But some terms are just considered defamatory independently of what they actually mean, or indeed whether they matter. It's why the words illegitimate child or single parent household or whatever were invented. But I'm still waiting to see a teacher tell her class its okay to call the child that doesn't have a father a b*stard. And my kudos to the first teacher that does, but I don't believe it's going to happen in my lifetime.
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Old 15.03.2015, 19:02
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Actually, there's nothing wrong with being a b*stard. I mean, it's not the b*stard's fault his or her parents weren't married. We're not living in the middle ages when such a concept was inherently offensive.
You could not be more wrong. "Grand bastard" was a title of honour in medieval France...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony...rd_of_Burgundy
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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

How anyone (who speaks German) can misunderstand that SBB ad and read anything racist into it is absolutely beyond me

As for the "black" discussion; I wasn't aware that "black" is now a swearword as well. Good to know, though. By now I'm not quite sure anymore how to call people with a darker skin tone as apparently, everything is wrong.

And last but not least, the discussions around this new Credit Suisse guy would have happened with any non-Swiss guy they could have chosen for the job, whether he was white, black or purple. You think Dougan provoked no discussion when he was put in that position? Sure did and obviously he's not black, so there goes that argument. The point is that the general direction "Swiss" multinationals including CS have been taking for the last decade or so doesn't sit particularly well with quite a few Swiss. That's all.
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I've met some blonde, blue-eyed, white skin people who were born into an all black family. No trace of African in them. It happens with genetics, and it happens the other way around. When asked, they say they are black, proudly. It's not really up to you to decide who is black and who is not.
On that note, though, I am blonde, blue eyed, white person with a black cousin (who, which is irrelevant, is a well known established architect and a member of the municipality). Every single time we somehow talked about him here, the local reaction was: "Wow. You have a black cousin? What happened?!" It is a bit weird. So is usually the question that follows: " How black is he?" As if that was important. I know it's probably not meant poorly, but I think there's certain immunity to taste/diplomacy in relation to some sensitive issues here. Bumpkiness.

(Love the CFF campaign, btw. It was obvious what they are doing right when I saw the 1st photo. Genius idea.)
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On that note, though, I am blonde, blue eyed, white person with a black cousin (who, which is irrelevant, is a well known established architect and a member of the municipality). Every single time we somehow talked about him here, the local reaction was: "Wow. You have a black cousin? What happened?!" It is a bit weird. So is usually the question that follows: " How black is he?" As if that was important. I know it's probably not meant poorly, but I think there's certain immunity to taste/diplomacy in relation to some sensitive issues here. Bumpkiness.
To me that sounds more like curiosity.
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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

I`m just pondering .... what if the new CEO of CS was a woman?
Would it be mentioned she`s (its) a woman? Or would one have to assume she`s (its) a woman? By mentioning she`s a woman would that be "sexist"?

I enjoyed reading a paper on the weekend where the said gentleman was interviewed and asked about reactions he`s had to being a black person in Switzerland .... and he said he re-acts with humour, because he finds some of the reactions humerous.
Like when he walks into a restaurant is given a table between the toilets and the kitchen - so he asks if they don`t have a worse table to give him?

Personally I think he is perfect, (he looks like how I like my coffee in the mornings .... large, black and strong) and look forward to reading his exploits, and seeing photos of his family, and the home they choose to live in.
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On that note, though, I am blonde, blue eyed, white person with a black cousin (who, which is irrelevant, is a well known established architect and a member of the municipality). Every single time we somehow talked about him here, the local reaction was: "Wow. You have a black cousin? What happened?!" It is a bit weird. So is usually the question that follows: " How black is he?" As if that was important. I know it's probably not meant poorly, but I think there's certain immunity to taste/diplomacy in relation to some sensitive issues here. Bumpkiness.

(Love the CFF campaign, btw. It was obvious what they are doing right when I saw the 1st photo. Genius idea.)
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To me that sounds more like curiosity.


Although in some cases, they blame the Milkman.
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Personally I think he is perfect, (he looks like how I like my coffee in the mornings .... large, black and strong) and look forward to reading his exploits, and seeing photos of his family, and the home they choose to live in.
The man has a stellar resume. Getting elected is one thing, being able to perform is another. I wish him much success, and may he cut through all the bs political resistance on the job, the likes of which demonstrated on this thread. May he cut through the crap like a hot knife through butter.

It would be great if he were to start posting in the Complaints Corner.
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Although in some cases, they blame the Milkman.
You have been here too long, brother
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I`m just pondering .... what if the new CEO of CS was a woman?
Would it be mentioned she`s (its) a woman? Or would one have to assume she`s (its) a woman? By mentioning she`s a woman would that be "sexist"?
I promise you it would
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It would be great if he were to start posting in the Complaints Corner.

His first complaint will be that CS won't let him open an account seeing he's American.
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"Wow. You have a black cousin? What happened?!" It is a bit weird. So is usually the question that follows: " How black is he?"
You mean he's Moravian?
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You mean he's Moravian?
A black Bohemian to boot . And an ace skier, too, which used to flip out tourists in early 90's, he used to work at a ski resort when he was studying.
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