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Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

Despite the positive tone of some Swiss newspapers like Zurich's Tages-Anzeiger, Le Temps, Blick (pfff) and some of their fellow brothers and sisters, I am still very miffed at their use of the words "black skin" or even "black" to describe the 'who' or the 'what' of Mr Tidjane.

"The size of the expectations in the black African without banking experience could be seen in the 8% rise in the bank’s shares yesterday at the start of trading,” said the Tages-Anzeiger, adding that Urs Rohner, the bank’s chairman, had “landed a coup” in the new CEO.

“It’s the first time a manager with black skin has made it to the top of a traditional Swiss company. Bienvenue, Monsieur Thiam!”

“Credit Suisse: an African follows an American” was the front page headline of Le Temps.

“A black heads the Zurich big bank for the first time” was a headline in tabloid Blick

This is just shameful and unprofessional journalism. Speak of the person, his qualifications and competencies...

I thought size matters, now even skin matters more when it comes to socio economic status?

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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

You are right. this is typically Swiss.
They could learn from the US where there were no such reactions when Obama became president.
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Yes good for him, shame to the press for implying him being employed based on his ethnicity and not his ability. Shock, horror, Switzerland like the rest of the world has a lot to learn about equality.

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Despite the positive tone of some Swiss newspapers like Zurich's Tages-Anzeiger, Le Temps, Blick (pfff) and some of their fellow brothers and sisters, I am still very miffed at their use of the words "black skin" or even "black" to describe the 'who' or the 'what' of Mr Tidjane.

"The size of the expectations in the black African without banking experience could be seen in the 8% rise in the bank’s shares yesterday at the start of trading,” said the Tages-Anzeiger, adding that Urs Rohner, the bank’s chairman, had “landed a coup” in the new CEO.

“It’s the first time a manager with black skin has made it to the top of a traditional Swiss company. Bienvenue, Monsieur Thiam!”

“Credit Suisse: an African follows an American” was the front page headline of Le Temps.

“A black heads the Zurich big bank for the first time” was a headline in tabloid Blick

This is just shameful and unprofessional journalism. Speak of the person, his qualifications and competencies...

I thought size matters, now even skin matters more when it comes to socio economic status?

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Where there is still a huge racial equality gap and many white Americans still resent Obama being in power.

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You are right. this is typically Swiss.
They could learn from the US where there were no such reactions when Obama became president.

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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

I can see no wrong with the title in Le Temps. They said an American is out and an African in - nothing about skin color. There are white Africans out there, just like there are black Americans.
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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

Comparisons with the USA and UK are invalid. Often you don't see a white face there (I think I can use the word "white") in many areas.

Walk the streets of Swiss towns and villages and you will see why this appointment has caused such attention and why skin colour is of interest...
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.... I am still very miffed at their use of the words "black skin" or even "black" to describe the 'who' or the 'what' of Mr Tidjane.
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Why? Its progress, isn't it? It's a win for meritocracy.

Don't be racist.
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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

I think it's fantastic that a black man is the new head of CS. I wish him tons of success and hope he's the first of many. I don't get the problem with pointing out an historic first...
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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

Just think about it for a moment.

One nondescript white Swiss guys replaces another at the head of some big corporation and (unless he is being forced to step down on account of some scandal or fiasco) it gets one paragraph somewhere deep down in the business section of the NZZ and the Tagi. Blick won't mention it at all.

So if this guy is hitting the front page of the paper it's because he's African. Take that aspect out of the headline and it ceases to be a front page article. Do you think the old lady from next door honestly give a f**k about who the CEO of a bank is.

Some people on this thread seem to want to be having it both ways.
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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

I wish everyone would just grow up, and stop trying to instill racism into every nuance uttered.

People who come from Africa (it is a huge continent with many small countries within) are all different colours, races, and speak different languages - and have different cultures.

A white person from Africa sounds okay, hey?

A black person from Africa sounds racist?

Why? Does every white person called a "white" person get offended because they are actually not white, but a shade of beige/burnt umber/sienna/brown/whatever. Is to have a black skin something to be ashamed of? I just don`t get it with some people.

I`m pretty sure the gentleman mentioned is proud of his own heritage, and not *ashamed* (if that is the nuance being inferred) to be described as a person with black skin, or an African.

I`m wondering when the "whiteys" are going to become offended when
their skin colour is mentioned, or their origins?
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Despite the positive tone of some Swiss newspapers like Zurich's Tages-Anzeiger, Le Temps, Blick (pfff) and some of their fellow brothers and sisters, I am still very miffed at their use of the words "black skin" or even "black" to describe the 'who' or the 'what' of Mr Tidjane.

"The size of the expectations in the black African without banking experience could be seen in the 8% rise in the bank’s shares yesterday at the start of trading,” said the Tages-Anzeiger, adding that Urs Rohner, the bank’s chairman, had “landed a coup” in the new CEO.

“It’s the first time a manager with black skin has made it to the top of a traditional Swiss company. Bienvenue, Monsieur Thiam!”

“Credit Suisse: an African follows an American” was the front page headline of Le Temps.

“A black heads the Zurich big bank for the first time” was a headline in tabloid Blick

This is just shameful and unprofessional journalism. Speak of the person, his qualifications and competencies...

I thought size matters, now even skin matters more when it comes to socio economic status?

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THE Sensation was NOT his experience and his education, but his origins
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Just think about it for a moment.

One nondescript white Swiss guys replaces another at the head of some big corporation and (unless he is being forced to step down on account of some scandal or fiasco) it gets one paragraph somewhere deep down in the business section of the NZZ and the Tagi. Blick won't mention it at all.

So if this guy is hitting the front page of the paper it's because he's African. Take that aspect out of the headline and it ceases to be a front page article. Do you think the old lady from next door honestly give a f**k about who the CEO of a bank is.

Some people on this thread seem to want to be having it both ways.

In the 1950ies, 60ies, 70ies it was a sensation when somebody originating from the Mediterranean made it to the top outside of the construction industry
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Re: Journalism is a Class Act: "Black Skin" in Swiss Newspapers

This is TYPICAL SWISS!! Sad but true, I have brown skin, I know very well after so many years. If you have brown skin, somehow you don't rate. It's just assumed you're in the country to take advantage of all the great social services CH has to offer.
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Despite the positive tone of some Swiss newspapers like Zurich's Tages-Anzeiger, Le Temps, Blick (pfff) and some of their fellow brothers and sisters, I am still very miffed at their use of the words "black skin" or even "black" to describe the 'who' or the 'what' of Mr Tidjane.

"The size of the expectations in the black African without banking experience could be seen in the 8% rise in the bank’s shares yesterday at the start of trading,” said the Tages-Anzeiger, adding that Urs Rohner, the bank’s chairman, had “landed a coup” in the new CEO.

“It’s the first time a manager with black skin has made it to the top of a traditional Swiss company. Bienvenue, Monsieur Thiam!”

“Credit Suisse: an African follows an American” was the front page headline of Le Temps.

“A black heads the Zurich big bank for the first time” was a headline in tabloid Blick

This is just shameful and unprofessional journalism. Speak of the person, his qualifications and competencies...

I thought size matters, now even skin matters more when it comes to socio economic status?

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And you are just as bad as the papers by highöighting further, why not just accept it and also accept that the papers want to make it sound sensational
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I wish everyone would just grow up, and stop trying to instill racism into every nuance uttered.

People who come from Africa (it is a huge continent with many small countries within) are all different colours, races, and speak different languages - and have different cultures.

A white person from Africa sounds okay, hey?

A black person from Africa sounds racist?

Why? Does every white person called a "white" person get offended because they are actually not white, but a shade of beige/burnt umber/sienna/brown/whatever. Is to have a black skin something to be ashamed of? I just don`t get it with some people.

I`m pretty sure the gentleman mentioned is proud of his own heritage, and not *ashamed* (if that is the nuance being inferred) to be described as a person with black skin, or an African.

I`m wondering when the "whiteys" are going to become offended when
their skin colour is mentioned, or their origins?

Arabs (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Egypt) are WHITES, possibly dark-whites, and so are the Turks. Yes, when they got upwards in the 1960ies/70ies, it was noticed and mentioned in the press.


I still remember an occurrence in the mid-60ies when a Turkish schoolfriend and me had bought some Konditorei stuff in the bakery and were sitting around the Corner. We heard a customer saying inside the shop "überall diä chaibe Südländer" and the saleswoman defending us "aber diä beede sind ganz Netti, und immer ganz höflich" Well, the war was not won, but at least a battle. In those days, some restaurants in the countryside practically kept you out with all possible tricks. No Blacks or Tamils were around here in those days. So that Xenophobes jumped at whomever was suitable to get attacked by their grumpy moods and notions
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This is TYPICAL SWISS!! Sad but true, I have brown skin, I know very well after so many years. If you have brown skin, somehow you don't rate. It's just assumed you're in the country to take advantage of all the great social services CH has to offer.
Certain stereotypes can be found everywhere in this world without exception. If this is TYPICAL SWISS, please think twice. I, just for a second, may quote a review of one of the companies shared on glassdoor that I came across this morning. Piece of good journalism ...

http://www.glassdoor.com/Reviews/Emp...RVW5999993.htm
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This is TYPICAL SWISS!! Sad but true, I have brown skin, I know very well after so many years. If you have brown skin, somehow you don't rate. It's just assumed you're in the country to take advantage of all the great social services CH has to offer.
But his job IS the greatest social service CH has to offer.
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You are right. this is typically Swiss.
They could learn from the US where there were no such reactions when Obama became president.

Obama is NOT a "Black" but just a half-black. And to speak as if ALL Americans welcomed Mr Obama goes a bit too far. And the US media on the liberal side widely spoke about " the first Black US president in history "


And while the USA since 1776 never had a Jewish president, the post 1848 Switzerland had a Jewish Federal President

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Obama is NOT a "Black" but just a half-black.
Sorry, but wrong.

Legally in the US, anyone who is at least 1/32 black is, um, black.

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Sorry, but wrong.

Legally in the US, anyone who is at least 1/32 black is, um, black.

Tom

True, but in the world in General, a 50% White is whatever but not a Black, The Political Correctness Business in the USA is weird sometimes


Add that Obama looks like many South European politicians




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Obama is NOT a "Black" but just a half-black. And to speak as if ALL Americans welcomed Mr Obama goes a bit too far. And the US media on the liberal side widely spoke about " the first Black US president in history "


And while the USA since 1776 never had a Jewish president, the post 1848 Switzerland had a Jewish Federal President
Ummmm Obama is black, white mother or not, he is a black man.
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