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Which goes very fine with this, although he's missing the batulla :
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Diesel, which is why it is black!

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Or perhaps, this should become the norm in public:

(cut vinyl kink wear)

Sure beats a burka!

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Dude! No self-respecting woman wears kink in vinyl. It's leather all the way! Plus, it soften and molds to your skin...
But the leather would have to be Halal, no?
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Old 08.10.2015, 15:33
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That's not BDSM leather fetish scene, rather Japanese visual kei or affiliated. A style and a fetish are not synonymous. Sorry, it's all about British humour here I suppose, but if the readers can learn something on the way, I am sure the Queen won't mind.
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Islam paranoia,fear
Are you an Islam devotee?

This part of Europe is Christian. Probably the idea is to not promote this other religion, it clashes with the Christian beliefs. Just as Christian would clash with Muslim in eastern countries.

People who go around hiding their faces is not part of European culture. Look at all the problems with just the "hoody" hooligans wear to disguise themselves. Going into places of business / schools /banks/etc one does not go in disguise, or have to remove head coverings.

Most of the Muslim world is in ruins (hence the refugees), people are steeped in their world of violence and destruction. It is now being imported to Europe. You think those people are going to change their ways?

Take a look at what is happening already in Germany. Crime, rapes, violence, all by "dark skinned men" with black hair.

So politicians trying to keep a bit of sanity in their own country are scoffed at. Better trying something sooner, than too late, when the goats have escaped.
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Old 08.10.2015, 15:50
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The old "classic" BDSM stuff is kinda worn now. But I kid you not that middle eastern inspired fetish wear is truly trending. I met some Belgian girls in a Berlin nightclub with these kinds of head wear:
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and her friends with these kinds of jewelry:
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And they truly nailed it.

This is a Givenchy take on an Abaya Burka:
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Old 08.10.2015, 16:22
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So politicians trying to keep a bit of sanity in their own country are scoffed at. Better trying something sooner, than too late, when the goats have escaped.
The thing about this initiative is that I think its a miscarriage of a valuable democratic process to make a singular point. The burka is somewhat a temporal thing, while the direct democracy process should be held in a higher regard. Using it for this purpose somewhat cheapens it.

Furthermore, its an attempted exercise at limiting another cultural expression through negation. Whereas if it were serious, the issue that is really taking place is also a weakening of western cultural expressions. In this political climate, with institutions like the EU and political correctness, attempts to strengthen one's culture expression is liable to get one labelled a Nazi.

I kind of like what some of the fashion street kids have done with the issue through the Burka expressions. Its like saying "okay, we'll try on your symbols, make it our own, and mirror it back to you for effect. What do you think?". Westerners need to communicate outwardly and dialog somehow instead of cowering in fear.
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Re: So what is it with the Burka?

This is just so out of order Smoky:

'Take a look at what is happening already in Germany. Crime, rapes, violence, all by "dark skinned men" with black hair.'

I watched Panorama the other night, on the systematic rape and abuse of children in the UK- most of it perpetrated by people in power, from the Catholic Church, high ranking politicians an public figures, stars- and all protected for many decades by the Catholic authorities, police, the goverment and the judiciary. Those were all white men from the British isles- and not a single person said thea had done so in the name of Christianity, not one.

And then you have Rotherham- a dreadful tale of abuse led by groups of Pakistanis. Vile, disgusting, but no more than the above. But immediately people like you, the gutter Press and even the Government and Christian Churches come up with statements like ' rape and abuse of young girls in the name of Islam'. At least the Imams and the majortiy of Muslims immediately condemned those terrible acts as having nothing to do with islam- but all to do with dreadful peadophiles- same as the other lot, but who happen to be Muslims rather than Christians.

So shame on you for peddling that racist stuff, really. Stereotyping in this way is just despicable.
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This is just so out of order Smoky:

'Take a look at what is happening already in Germany. Crime, rapes, violence, all by "dark skinned men" with black hair.'

I watched Panorama the other night, on the systematic rape and abuse of children in the UK- most of it perpetrated by people in power, from the Catholic Church, high ranking politicians an public figures, stars- and all protected for many decades by the Catholic authorities, police, the goverment and the judiciary. Those were all white men from the British isles- and not a single person said thea had done so in the name of Christianity, not one.

And then you have Rotherham- a dreadful tale of abuse led by groups of Pakistanis. Vile, disgusting, but no more than the above. But immediately people like you, the gutter Press and even the Government and Christian Churches come up with statements like ' rape and abuse of young girls in the name of Islam'. At least the Imams and the majortiy of Muslims immediately condemned those terrible acts as having nothing to do with islam- but all to do with dreadful peadophiles- same as the other lot, but who happen to be Muslims rather than Christians.

So shame on you for peddling that racist stuff, really. Stereotyping in this way is just despicable.
But Odile, if you've been keeping up with what's been heppening in Germany these last few weeks, there has indeed been a massive increase in rapes and other crimes. You really can't pretend this has nothing to do with the sudden recent influx of refugees.
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Women don't cover up when visiting saudi arabia and iran due to "respect" since the women there want the women there to have the option to not wear it. Women wear it because they know not wearing it can lead to arrest, beatings, rape, etc...

You raised the right issue and then went off the track in your analysis by playing the gender card. The part of your post in red is the reason I groaned you. I agree with the rest of your post. I have never been to KSA, so I can only speak about the situation in Iran (I'm 25% Persian). The truth is that in Iran, secular / reformist women and men want the women there to have the option to wear the veil. Ultra conservative men and women (read the 1st caption) are against easing or suppressing the existing compulsory hijab law.

I have never had any problem with the morality police during my 10-month stay in Northern Tehran, but from what I heard from some of my Persian friends, the female police officers are often more strict than the male officers, and you are more likely being chastised by a policewoman.

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Last time I was in Tehran (3 months ago), I didn't see any morality police; they have completely disappeared. Rouhani ROCKS!

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So shame on you for peddling that racist stuff, really. Stereotyping in this way is just despicable.
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But Odile, if you've been keeping up with what's been heppening in Germany these last few weeks, there has indeed been a massive increase in rapes and other crimes. You really can't pretend this has nothing to do with the sudden recent influx of refugees.
Right, if there were no truth to the matter, then the matter just naturally fall of. But when there are incidents and conditions that continue on, one ought to more concerned with those incidents and its victims than those who point out how these conditions exist.
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Re: So what is it with the Burka?

Linnea UZH,

from what I have seen in those picture the hot chick is admonished by the ugly chicks. female jealousy?
On a more serious note: what is your explanation for that (i.e. one is more likely being chastised by a female officer from moral police or something like that)

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But Odile, if you've been keeping up with what's been heppening in Germany these last few weeks, there has indeed been a massive increase in rapes and other crimes. You really can't pretend this has nothing to do with the sudden recent influx of refugees.
This thread is not about refugees, but about the Burka, and therefore Islam- can you give clear proof that the increase in rapes and other crimes in Germany is due to Islam? That's my point.

I would have thought it was more likely due to young people having lived and witnessed extreme violence in their own country and now desperate, without money or a way forward... perhaps?
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This is just so out of order Smoky:

'Take a look at what is happening already in Germany. Crime, rapes, violence, all by "dark skinned men" with black hair.'

I watched Panorama the other night, on the systematic rape and abuse of children in the UK- most of it perpetrated by people in power, from the Catholic Church, high ranking politicians an public figures, stars- and all protected for many decades by the Catholic authorities, police, the goverment and the judiciary. Those were all white men from the British isles- and not a single person said thea had done so in the name of Christianity, not one.

And then you have Rotherham- a dreadful tale of abuse led by groups of Pakistanis. Vile, disgusting, but no more than the above. But immediately people like you, the gutter Press and even the Government and Christian Churches come up with statements like ' rape and abuse of young girls in the name of Islam'. At least the Imams and the majortiy of Muslims immediately condemned those terrible acts as having nothing to do with islam- but all to do with dreadful peadophiles- same as the other lot, but who happen to be Muslims rather than Christians.

So shame on you for peddling that racist stuff, really. Stereotyping in this way is just despicable.
You watched "Panorama" the other night - and peddle what you heard there.

I peddled the current news. What is the actual difference? The media (whose business it is to broadcast news/current events) is the only way we form our opinions. Otherwise we`d all be ignorant of what is happening in countries around us, or overseas. Then only when it happens in front of us would we be aware - when it will be too late to come up with control measures.

I have family who work in firms employing 90% middle eastern workers. They find it disgusting how these men refer to, talk about, and make remarks to young women dressed in European fashions - the "normal" teen/young women attire of tight jeans, short skirts, skimpy tops, etc. Their own women are at home, only allowed out with husbands to shop - dressed in their long skirts, headscarves, formless long jackets, frumpy black shoes.

In other words, sexless beings. When 1,000`s of these men are here, what is going to be their reactions to the European girls/young women? Are they going to be safe travelling on public transport, at night? Alone out after dark?

It is not a religion issue, it`s a cultural upbringing issue. As you say, there are violent criminals in every race/culture. It could become a serious problem with a culture that has never been exposed to female flesh in skimpy attire.

Actually, if those Burka things were banned, maybe those types would think twice about settling in Europe? Problem would be solved.

I would take what is happening now in Germany rather seriously, before it`s too late.

The media reported there was a Tsunami in Thailand a few years ago, was that propaganda? (We only believe/know about what we read/see on TV). They are now reporting violence between ethnic group inmates in refugee centers, and escalation of rape of young girls in Germany by blah-blah-blah men. Are those outright lies? Why are they warning young girls there to cover themselves more and not go out after dark alone?
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This thread is not about refugees, but about the Burka, and therefore Islam- can you give clear proof that the increase in rapes and other crimes in Germany is due to Islam? That's my point.

I would have thought it was more likely due to young people having lived and witnessed extreme violence in their own country and now desperate, without money or a way forward... perhaps?
Burka and Muslim go together, like a horse and carriage .....

Without money? Really? Have you not noticed that just about every single "refugee" appears to have a smart-phone? Are they pay-as-you-go...? Or on contracts?

They report (well, anyway the reporter reports what they say) using their GPS on mobiles to negotiate their way here, take selfies to send back home, update those coming behind them on the easy routes, sympathetic towns, etc etc.

I also watched a programme on tv the other day, about how families "over there" are removing and selling the windows and doors of their houses to raise money for the journey to join their other families here. And those were rather nice houses out in the peaceful countrysides - no bombs, just a few chickens and cows and goats. They have to work very hard for their living (like most peasant farmers) and are looking forward to living in Europe with so much kind help of the Europeans. Like being retired in paradise?
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Burka and Muslim go together, like a horse and carriage .....

Without money? Really? Have you not noticed that just about every single "refugee" appears to have a smart-phone? Are they pay-as-you-go...? Or on contracts?

They report (well, anyway the reporter reports what they say) using their GPS on mobiles to negotiate their way here, take selfies to send back home, update those coming behind them on the easy routes, sympathetic towns, etc etc.

I also watched a programme on tv the other day, about how families "over there" are removing and selling the windows and doors of their houses to raise money for the journey to join their other families here. And those were rather nice houses out in the peaceful countrysides - no bombs, just a few chickens and cows and goats. They have to work very hard for their living (like most peasant farmers) and are looking forward to living in Europe with so much kind help of the Europeans. Like being retired in paradise?
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