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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

It's just plain common sense to study the process of naturalisation of the country you live in and intend to apply for citizenship- and then, sort of take this into account. Now I'm happy to agree the system of approval in CH may well be archa´c, maybe all sorts of things- but it is what it is. As said, when I applied fro UK citizenship I had to swear ma allegiance to the Queen and her descendants. Would have been plain daft of me to refuse- or to go in on the day with placards calling for a Republic, wouldn't it? If she has lived here for 30+ years, she should know how it works.

Nowadays, would i swear my allegiance to the Royal family holding the Bible in my right hand- probably not.You either play the local game, or you don't - is what I mean by accepting consequences.
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Old 01.12.2015, 17:17
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

Not forgetting the cow bells she protested against! She created quite a discussion in the Dutch community in Switzerland

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Old 01.12.2015, 17:18
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You either play the local game, or you don't - is what I mean by accepting consequences.
Thankfully the local game allows her to make an appeal.
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Old 01.12.2015, 17:27
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Thankfully the local game allows her to make an appeal.
Which costs time, money, and offers no guarantees.

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Old 01.12.2015, 17:30
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Sure, but sometimes you have to pick your fight - prove a point, or go with the flow/accommodate those who are deciding whether you are getting the stamp/little book or not.

She could have made her point after she got the little red book, no?
In fact she could have done it much more effectively, including for example raising a referendum or other formalised Swiss mechanisms available to citizens.
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Old 01.12.2015, 17:31
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I can't imagine any country denying her citizenship because she exercised her democratic right to protest
I can imagine an awful lot of countries doing exactly that. Including several that will deny you your right to life for protesting.
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Old 01.12.2015, 17:35
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Which costs time, money, and offers no guarantees.

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Not according to Cedric Wermuth:

The Aargauer SP National CÚdric Wermuth can not understand that voting against the Swiss passport: "And again, a decision will fall in front of the first court. Naturalizations are away from GM and urn! "He wrote on Twitter.
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Old 01.12.2015, 17:44
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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

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I can't imagine any country denying her citizenship because she exercised her democratic right to protest
Is there any other country where the citizens gets to exercise their democratic rights in deciding who they want to be a fellow citizen? Yay for a democratic victory!
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Old 01.12.2015, 17:44
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Not according to Cedric Wermuth:

The Aargauer SP National CÚdric Wermuth can not understand that voting against the Swiss passport: "And again, a decision will fall in front of the first court. Naturalizations are away from GM and urn! "He wrote on Twitter.
Hardly a guarantee.

Just grandstanding by some socialist politicain.

Meanwhile, awaiting a response from my Aargau dwelling spawn on what she thinks of the situation.

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Old 01.12.2015, 17:47
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Right I don`t like the british ,no citizenship for me :-)
They're not British, they're German.
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Old 01.12.2015, 17:50
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They're not British, they're German.
Who, the Von Battenbergs?

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Old 01.12.2015, 17:52
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Who, the Von Battenbergs?

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Yeah, and the Dukes of Hannover, and of Saxe Coburg, and of Gotha.
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Old 01.12.2015, 17:53
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They're not British, they're German.
It always goes down well if trying to have a 'discussion' with EDL types shouting that they are ANGLO-SAXONS and you reply, yes indeed....immigrant then...

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Yeah, and the Dukes of Hannover, and of Saxe Coburg, and of Gotha.
Yes, I know, as I've seen BlackAdder 3 many times.

And The Story of Vickie, of course.

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Something similar here in Canada
If one does reject the culture of the nation .He/She does not deserve the citizenship ,its that simple
Err, actually, no, not in Canada.

if you're talking about this guy, he's now a citizen.
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I can imagine an awful lot of countries doing exactly that. Including several that will deny you your right to life for protesting.
Those countries are not democratic countries...
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Those countries are not democratic countries...
Democratic People's Republic of Korea

Islamic Republic of Iran

Republic of Zimbabwe

You mean these aren't really democracies?
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Who, the Von Battenbergs?

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Austrians, Habsburger Austrian proverb! 1938 " Heim ins Reich >>1945 "Heim es reicht " ;-)
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the Dukes of Hannover
These guys?



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Re: Church bells opponent denied Swiss citizenship!

I don't think being involved in local politics is a reason for NOT giving citizenship, she just chose the wrong side. There is an abuse of church bells since they were automatized in the 70s, it's a well known problem and source of fights in many communes, sometimes it causes noise pollution, but compromises can be made.
True that people should be more careful when they move though, this doesn't apply only to bells but also bars etc.
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