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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

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No, actually, you're heavily trolling the board pretending like its a conversation you don't understand. . You can make your point in a post or two if you are capable, if there is a point to make. The hundreds raises the noise to signal ratio and just gets filtered out. You may be the only one paying attention to your posts.
Pot meet kettle.
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Old 07.02.2016, 20:50
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You giving that advice is indeed a master piece of irony.
Well, she's right. Your English is often overly convoluted and awkwardly written and while I am sure it sounds perfectly sensible in your head, the meaning doesn't always translate so well.
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Old 07.02.2016, 20:57
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Well, she's right. Your English is often overly convoluted and awkwardly written and while I am sure it sounds perfectly sensible in your head, the meaning doesn't always translate so well.
Of course, it's the way I write English, never the way you read it.
Your insults in private don't talk in your favour.
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Old 07.02.2016, 21:14
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Of course, it's the way I write English, never the way you read it.
Your insults in private don't talk in your favour.
Yes you are absolutely correct, it's the way you write it.

Insults in private? Ahh, you mean Failtrad. My apologies, 'tis a simple typo due to a wobbly key on my keyboard.
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Old 07.02.2016, 21:19
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Of course, it's the way I write English, never the way you read it.
Your insults in private don't talk in your favour.
Your english is fine Faltrad. When people get it wrong, just correct them, with a vengeance. If anything, you may be a little thin skinned. So, HTFU! I like you.
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Old 07.02.2016, 21:23
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you may be a little thin skinned.
A gay man has been insulted all his life so don't worry for my skin, I even had to work with people who seriously argued for death penalty for LGBT. Yea, in a school. I don't think people who insult me and others here on regular basis can argue they are tougher than me in life. A transsexual from Arkansas who survived a childhood in a mormon family can. It's no reason to accept bullying of any kind anywhere including EF, the school I work in and any place I see it happening.
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Old 07.02.2016, 21:30
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A gay man has been insulted all his life so don't worry for my skin, I even had to work with people who seriously argued for death penalty for LGBT. Yea, in a school. I don't think people who insult me and others here on regular basis can argue they are tougher than me in life. A transsexual from Arkansas who survived in a childhood in a mormon family can. It's no reason to accept bullying of any kind anywhere including EF, the school I work in and any place I see it happening.

Oh, I have gay friends, and boy are they brutal. I've seen them make people cry in regular conversations, after a few drinks. I get insulted here all the time as well. So don't feel alone.
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

I am so happy I have phos on ignore list. I don't think why more people don't do that, arguing with him is just pointless.
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Old 07.02.2016, 21:36
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I am so happy I have phos on ignore list. I don't think why more people don't do that, arguing with him is just pointless.
In this case, he is not the target of the argument.
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Old 07.02.2016, 21:38
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Your english is fine Faltrad. When people get it wrong, just correct them, with a vengeance. If anything, you may be a little thin skinned. So, HTFU! I like you.
" I like you."

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Faltrad - it is your life; ignore people who do not accept that
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Faltrad - it is your life; ignore people who do not accept that
I'm fine thank you, I just want to put some things straight here: the whining insulting bullies will be named and exposed because I've always refused intimidation. we didn't get equality of rights by ignoring the hating people but by exposing them. It's not about LGBT here, by the way, it's just a general bullying issue. He is not the only member attacking and insulting people, not just me.
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Old 07.02.2016, 22:13
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I'm fine thank you, I just want to put some things straight here: the whining insulting bullies will be named and exposed because I've always refused intimidation. we didn't get equality of rights by ignoring the hating people but by exposing them. It's not about LGBT here, by the way, it's just a general bullying issue. He is not the only member attacking and insulting people, not just me.
Attacking people or attacking their ideas? Some people don't understand the difference, when they lose an argument. Who's doing that? Report them!
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Old 08.02.2016, 08:07
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I'm fine thank you, I just want to put some things straight here: the whining insulting bullies will be named and exposed because I've always refused intimidation. we didn't get equality of rights by ignoring the hating people but by exposing them. It's not about LGBT here, by the way, it's just a general bullying issue. He is not the only member attacking and insulting people, not just me.
Sorry you had a tough life Faltrad, but I like many others on the forum have zero interest or knowledge in you or your sexuality, and I have made one very minor comment to you in the last months. However, at least I now understand the root cause behind the hyper-sensitivity, no matter how irrationally you wield it, and in future I will refrain from even making those minor comments. Good luck with everything.

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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

Umm, starting to get seriously off topic by now, no?
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Old 08.02.2016, 10:39
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Attacking people or attacking their ideas? Some people don't understand the difference, when they lose an argument.
You mean like blanket labeling those who disagree with you as social justice warriors?
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Umm, starting to get seriously off topic by now, no?
And you are "on topic"?
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Old 08.02.2016, 20:55
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

Small child "Mummy, that is a very sad picture"
Mummy "Well the black sheep is a nasty foreign criminal"
Small child "Who are the white sheep?"
Mummy "they are loving Swiss sheep"
Small child "They are not so lovely when they treat the black sheep like that"
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Old 08.02.2016, 22:46
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

An excellent article in Le Matin today- an interview with Johan Rochel, Vice President of the ThinkTank Foraus, and Prof of philosophy at St Gallen Uni:

Johan Rochel: Il faut en finir avec cette idée de démocratie directe «über alles». C’est une folie de penser qu’en votant pour un changement de la Constitution, la situation va évoluer immédiatement. Accepter de modifier la Constitution, c’est donner la mission au parlement de rédiger une loi. La démocratie prend du temps, encore plus lorsqu’elle touche aux relations internationales. S’agissant du vote du 9 février 2014, le nouvel article 121a a introduit des contingents annuels pour les travailleurs étrangers, ainsi que la préférence nationale. Ces deux exigences entrent en contradiction frontale avec d’autres engagements pris par les mêmes citoyens suisses, en particulier l’accord sur la libre circulation des personnes. Les Suisses ont voulu deux choses incompatibles et deux ans après le vote, cette incompatibilité n’est toujours pas levée.
– Quelle en est la conséquence?
– Ma position est claire: les citoyens se sont mis dans une position complètement contradictoire et ils ont mis le Conseil fédéral dans une position impossible. On ne peut pas espérer que le gouvernement trouve une solution magique permettant de mettre en œuvre l’initiative de manière euro-compatible, cette solution n’existe pas. Les blocages diplomatiques sont le reflet de cette situation. Pour s’en sortir de manière propre et honnête, il n’y a pas d’autre voie que de revoter. En toute connaissance de cause, les citoyens doivent dire quelle est leur priorité: conserver l’accord sur la libre circulation des personnes ou alors introduire des contingents et la préférence nationale en sacrifiant la libre circulation. Depuis deux ans, on a tenté d’éviter cette question centrale, mais on va arriver tranquillement à cet arbitrage.


In French sorry but the gist is:

I like his first sentence : 'we have to finish this 'direct democracy über alles'!


The contradictions of direct democracy mean that the Swiss have put themselves, and the Government, in a ridiculous and impossible contradictory position. The Government just cannot find a magic solution to this impossible impasse - where the citizens have chosen to sign agreements with Europe, and now want to break the same with another contradictory vote. The 2 just are not compatible- and a clear choice has to be made - with relevant consequences. I'd recommend reading the full article.

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Its ironic how everyone would like to make Switzerland into the image of some idea they have of their own country. But should the Swiss want to keep Switzerland in the image of Switzerland, there is an uproar protesting unfairness. . Whereas the real solution should be for people to go to the country that they like, not to try to bring some failed country with them to here.

I like Switzerland because it is Switzerland as it is. May those who try to cause Switzerland to fail miserably fail.
You can impossible say this, things change, nothing you or the Swiss can do about it...and the Swiss are definitely not a homogenous group with one opinion, ideals,

...if you care read about the real Swiss traditions and how they evolved and not only the ones that SVP makes you think...(btw it's not the loudest opinions that counts)

there is no uproar, no cry about "unfairness"...wtf...stop trolling
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Some of us who want a more open Switzerland are Swiss- you do realise this?
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