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Old 01.03.2016, 10:21
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

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Alas, all we get here is Alprose. Not bad, but hardly great, but at least the visit is fun.

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Don't Alprose make the chocolates Swiss distribute on their planes?
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Old 01.03.2016, 10:22
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

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Since this thread is about not believing false rhetoric and advertising- do not believe what Cailler says, that they invented milk chocolate- it was in fact Peter. They have been challenged over this.

Give me proper chocolate anytime- like our local Jacot Chocolat- made with top grade Criollo South American cocoa beans. Now THAT is the business.

www.jacot-chocolat.ch

great to combine with a walk down Gorges de l'Areuse- or up to Le Creux-du-Van - or a visit to Mauler Champagne or Maison de l'Absinthe Museum with tastings.

www.maison-absinthe.ch
Actually, it was the Chinese
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Old 01.03.2016, 10:35
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

Looks like Blocher has been reading my posts!

According to Tagesanzeiger here (German language) he says the SVP should stop creating new initiatives and instead use their strengths of two cabinet ministers and many Parliament seats.

He said a similar thing in his webcast last Sunday.

He says "The initiative is the instrument of the opposition."

Of course he does not say that major defeats like last Sunday are poor propaganda for the party.
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Old 01.03.2016, 10:41
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Jacot absinthe chocolates are out of this world.
That's one way of putting it. I thought they were one of the most disgusting things I'd ever eaten.

All down to personal taste. The chocolate is great if you like chocolate but the combination with the horrible aniseed flavour of absinthe is definitely not for me.
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Well of course- a matter of taste. You are one of the two people I know who hates aniseed and anything that tastes of it. Fair enough. The vast majority of our guests from all over the world just love them. Jacot also do a much milder one, with a very delicate taste of absinthe with raspberry. What is great with the chocolates 'invented' by Blaise at Jacot- is how subtle the tastes are, be it chilly, or mandarin, etc.

The guided visit that comprises of tasting about 12 different chocolates with an very carefully associated wine- with Blaise describing and explaining the subtle 'fusion' is really excellent. If a group on EF want to do a visit- happy to organise later this Summer- Jacot also have an excellent restaurant around the corner, opposite the Noiraigue railway station (the start of walks to Gorges de l'Areuse or Creux-du-Van).
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

so we went from taking about the DSI to chocolate samples; oh how the mighty have fallen...
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

Well the vote is over, so diversions are now allowed
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

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Remember it was the non-SVP who pulled the Swastika into the debate.

You are aware that the initiative has changed nothing? A judge can still choose to deport a foreign national after the second serious criminal offence.

The whole reason this was brought was because a judge can decide that if someone continues to commit serious criminal offences the sentencing can include a life term in a secure facility (not a prison - the difference is important) - this is expensive. The SVP suggested that incurring the cost of doing this for foreign nationals was a drain on Swiss tax payers and instead the foreign national should be deported.

It is worth considering that in the UK a foreign national can be deported on a first offence if the prison sentence is longer than 12months.
Rubbish.

With or without the DSI, deportation doesn't happen until after jail time has been served.

There's a huge difference between "can" and "must" have somebody deported, even more so when the crimes potentially/mandatorily causing that are different.
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Old 01.03.2016, 13:39
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

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Well the vote is over, so diversions are now allowed
True, we cannot keep posting the SVP have failed

Anyway for me it is a perversion of the referendum process for political parties to be raising initiatives.
The referendum process allows ordinary citizens to raise issues; it was not intended for political parties to use to bypass the democratic Parliamentary process.
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Old 01.03.2016, 13:49
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Rubbish.

With or without the DSI, deportation doesn't happen until after jail time has been served.

There's a huge difference between "can" and "must" have somebody deported, even more so when the crimes potentially/mandatorily causing that are different.
Which bit is rubbish? After all I raised a number of points.

It was the opposition who produced the Swastika posters - so it can't be that.

A judge CAN still choose to deport someone after their sentence is served. By saying CAN it was implied that it wasn't a MUST.

Swiss nationals who commit 2 serious criminal offences CAN be given a verwarung (sp) - where upon they are held in a secure psychiatric unit as it is testified they are beyond rehabilitation.
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Old 01.03.2016, 13:54
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Anyway for me it is a perversion of the referendum process for political parties to be raising initiatives.
The referendum process allows ordinary citizens to raise issues; it was not intended for political parties to use to bypass the democratic Parliamentary process.
Define ordinary people.

How many recent national level referendums can you think of that did not involve political parties getting involved.

But it's only wrong when it's the svp doing it?
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Old 01.03.2016, 14:12
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Define ordinary people.

How many recent national level referendums can you think of that did not involve political parties getting involved.

But it's only wrong when it's the svp doing it?
Your paranoia is showing!

I wrote "it was not intended for political parties to use to bypass the democratic Parliamentary process." Where did I mention SVP? In fact it is not the SVP who are the biggest offenders!

You wrote "How many recent national level referendums can you think of that did not involve political parties getting involved." Exactly, it is disgraceful! We vote in these parties to do their work in Parliament; not to work through the back door.
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Old 01.03.2016, 14:42
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Exactly, it is disgraceful! We vote in these parties to do their work in Parliament; not to work through the back door.
It is also refreshing that voters can vote on initiatives rather than parties.

You might be the most rabid SVP voter for 99% of the time - but you may disagree with a SVP sponsored initiative and vote against it.

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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

No Party Whips in Switzerland. As an elected PLR councillor, 'my party' will discuss and advise members on how to vote- but then members, including elected members, are free to vote as their conscience dictates.
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You're clearly not getting invited to the right parties
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Old 01.03.2016, 16:05
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It is also refreshing that voters can vote of initiatives rather than parties.

You might be the most rabid SVP voter for 99% of the time - but you may disagree with a SVP sponsored initiative and vote against it.
So why do these politicians sit in Parliament pulling down big salaries and benefits when they only do their job by creating referendums?

Time for a big budget cut
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Old 01.03.2016, 16:14
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So why do these politicians sit in Parliament pulling down big salaries and benefits when they only do their job by creating referendums?
They debate change that "normal" people don't think about.

We discussed at home last night "what would you raise for a referendum?" - deciding on "doggy day care should be tax deductible".
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

Everyone represents various political views in Switzerland, from foreigners who acquired their Swiss passports to Swiss locals born here, and yet they don't fight or kill each other over it, they don't hate their neighbours because of their political ideas, beliefs and convictions. They voice their preferences in form of media, agenda and voting on issues. That's a democratic, civilized and peaceful way of doing things.

The same two people might represent different views and they will go to the polls submitting their votes. There's no agitation, bullying or fighting going on. If my neighbour is of different political views, it's his right and choice and he will respect my stance and mind his own business. That's a sweet fruit of confederation and democracy. That's why I like Switzerland for better and for worse.
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There's no agitation, bullying or fighting going on.
IRW but this is EF
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Re: Feb. 28th vote on enforced implementation of the deportation initiative

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Since this thread is about not believing false rhetoric and advertising- do not believe what Cailler says, that they invented milk chocolate- it was in fact Peter. They have been challenged over this.

Give me proper chocolate anytime- like our local Jacot Chocolat- made with top grade Criollo South American cocoa beans. Now THAT is the business.

www.jacot-chocolat.ch

great to combine with a walk down Gorges de l'Areuse- or up to Le Creux-du-Van - or a visit to Mauler Champagne or Maison de l'Absinthe Museum with tastings.

www.maison-absinthe.ch



As usual, Odile, you are unashamingly appealing to all my vices and weaknesses! Careful, it will happen (a visit to your corner of Switzerland)
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