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Re: Geneva Airport fires Muslim workers

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I'd be surprised if there were only 30 muslims in the airport's 10,000 workforce. Just because the suspended workers were all apparently muslims doesn't mean that all muslims were sacked.

I'm not saying that sackings are right or wrong, but dont make it something it isn't.
they sacked only those who work in baggage-handling or have access to taxiway, runway.
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Old 20.01.2016, 11:06
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Re: Geneva Airport fires Muslim workers

It sounds like their security privilege was revoked, and they were working in an area that requires security clearance. I doubt it was because of their Muslim faith, but I suspect it was due to associations with suspected extremism. France reported a lot of their airport staff had extremist associations. I recall a news report about some jihadist graffiti was found on an aircraft prompting an investigation. I don't know what the authorities found during the investigation, but it seems this is an outcome of it.
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Old 20.01.2016, 11:06
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they sacked only those who work in baggage-handling or have access to taxiway, runway.
And now there are no muslims working in those areas?
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Old 20.01.2016, 11:08
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And now there are no muslims working in those areas?
don't know and I'm not claiming that. But those who were sacked worked in those areas.
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And now there are no muslims working in those areas?
Reading the many articles in FRench- that seems to be the case- all those who were Muslims who had access to those areas were sacked 'en bloc' without warning or redress- they just turned up for work and found themselves locked out.
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Old 20.01.2016, 11:15
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Reading the many articles in FRench- that seems to be the case- all those who were Muslims who had access to those areas were sacked 'en bloc' without warning or redress- they just turned up for work and found themselves locked out.
How do they know who was a Muslim and who wasn't?

How do they know *all* Mulsims in those areas were fired?

I don't think I ever informed my employer of my religious affiliation. And if I did and I lied, I don't know how they would find out.

It would be nigh on impossible for any employer to fire all employees of a given religion.

This claim seems rather tenuous to me.
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Re: Geneva Airport fires Muslim workers

Exactly and that makes it even worse. They looked at the colour and the names- and crossed them off the list! Just like that, it seems.

Mohammed - out
Rashid - out
Ahmed - out
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How do they know who was a Muslim and who wasn't?

How do they know *all* Mulsims in those areas were fired?

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The firing squad put bacon on table and asked them to eat it.
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Exactly and that makes it even worse. They looked at the colour and the names- and crossed them off the list! Just like that, it seems.

Mohammed - out
Rashid - out
Ahmed - out
Did they? How do you know? The security forces have refused to tell anyone else how they selected them?
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I see it as a case of Swiss pragmatism taking precedence over discrimination. It's wrong but it's right somehow...or should that be it's right but it's wrong
How is it "right somehow"?
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Re: Geneva Airport fires Muslim workers

This is what the solicitor representing them is saying. Only Muslims were fired, of the right colour and with the 'right' (wrong) names, en bloc- without any intelligence from the French (eg none were on suspect register, etc), and that none with access to tarmac are currently the same as above. Unless one is a Muslim convert with a non arabic name or colour (we all know their exist). And since no-one else that fits the above description has been sacked- what other conclusions can one come to? Especially has the majority had been there for years, doing a good job integrated in a team.

More research to be made I agree. What I am saying is, that if that is the case- it is truly shocking- and a great way to radicalise young people, I'd say.
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Did they? How do you know? The security forces have refused to tell anyone else how they selected them?
Because they were almost all Muslim. That's how you know.
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Old 20.01.2016, 11:30
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More research to be made I agree. What I am saying is, that if that is the case- it is truly shocking- and a great way to radicalise young people, I'd say.
Whereas losing a job is a great setback for anybody, regardless of social standing or education, and one shouldn't gloss over that lightly, but I would say that if a person can be so easily radicalised, I'd rather he wouldn't be working in such a position in the first place.

If you won't fire somebody because he might blow you up, you are essentially being blackmailed.
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Old 20.01.2016, 11:34
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More research to be made I agree. What I am saying is, that if that is the case- it is truly shocking- and a great way to radicalise young people, I'd say.
Getting barred from airports is motivation for radicalisation?

Any access to aircrafts or luggage requires security clearance. Even those with security clearance need to go through x-ray and luggage check everyday. For some reason unbeknownst to us, their security clearances were revoked. Many of them were Muslims.

Muslim discrimination or risk mitigation? I think that is what is being asked.
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Old 20.01.2016, 11:35
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Whereas losing a job is a great setback for anybody, regardless of social standing or education, and one shouldn't gloss over that lightly, but I would say that if a person can be so easily radicalised, I'd rather he wouldn't be working in such a position in the first place.

If you won't fire somebody because he might blow you up, you are essentially being blackmailed.
French emergency law allows to put these persons under house arrest or custody without needing a judge if there is a strong suspicion. Now that's why I ask: why weren't these persons sued or arrested?
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Re: Geneva Airport fires Muslim workers

Well yes, agreed,

And yet- radicalisation usually comes from a perception of great injustice, and a perception that, whatever you do, and however hard you work, you will never achieve upward mobility or integration.
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Getting barred from airports is motivation for radicalisation?
Absolutely. If I were fired from my job for something other than my performance or the affordability of my position to the company, I'd be mad as hell.
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How is it "right somehow"?
Because virtually all major terrorist attacks in the last 15 years have been carried out by Muslims. This approach is both pragmatic and very effective.

It is however discriminatory and tarring all Muslims with the same brush is ridiculous. Hence the right but wrong but right but wrong...
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Because virtually all major terrorist attacks in the last 15 years have been carried out by Muslims.
And by men. An airport could easily go the whole hog and exclusively employ white, religious Christian women.
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And by men.
Not exclusively

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_R...craft_bombings
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