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Foreigners in CH: Excellent graphic on swissinfo.ch

Stumbled on this article that I found very informative and has an excellent interactive graphic on foreigner composition in CH (totally 2 million).

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/data_who...land-/41942052

e.g. I did not know that circa 80% of all foreigners are Europeans, of which Germany, Portugal, Italy contribute 15% each and France next 5%. So half of all foreigners in CH are from these 4 countries.

10% are from Asia, and Africa and Americas contribute 5% each.
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Re: Foreigners in CH: Excellent graphic on swissinfo.ch

interestingly, only 2% are austrians
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1,03% of my country , not bad for a small country
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1,03% of my country , not bad for a small country
compare that to 5% Kosovans.
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Re: Foreigners in CH: Excellent graphic on swissinfo.ch

Thats a really nice graph

I don't know why but I thought that the number of Spanish people would be higher, I seem to find a lot of people speaking spanish in Zurich.
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Thats a really nice graph

I don't know why but I thought that the number of Spanish people would be higher, I seem to find a lot of people speaking spanish in Zurich.
That is quite recent. Mostly due to the ongoing and deep recession in Spain. Two years ago you would never see a Spanish license plate. Now, we see lots of them down in our end of the country.
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Re: Foreigners in CH: Excellent graphic on swissinfo.ch

What's funny is when you look at the ratio between Swiss expatriots and foreign expatriots in Switzerland by the country that did the swap. I think France is the only country in Europe with a positive ratio.

http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/f...m_ausland.html

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http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/f...key/01/01.html

See the Excel spreadsheets. Here's some notables:

Swiss expatriots to foreigners in Switzerland
Israeli: 15k to 1.5k (10:1)
Argentina: 14k to 1.5k (9.5:1)
Canada: 30k to 7k (4.3:1)
USA: 58k to 20k (2.9 : 1)
Singapore: 1.5k to 750 (2:1)
France: 161k to 118k (1.3:1)

Oceania isn't separated but it's probably similar to Canada. A number of these countries permit dual-citizenship and I don't know if that's accounted for (although in the case of the US you would have to be crazy to want it).
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Thats a really nice graph

I don't know why but I thought that the number of Spanish people would be higher, I seem to find a lot of people speaking spanish in Zurich.

Latin Americans speak Spanish


-- Amazing is that there in CH are more Portuguese than Spaniards
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Re: Foreigners in CH: Excellent graphic on swissinfo.ch

Interesting statistic and very nice graph. I am surprised by the large number of Portuguese - what is the reason?
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Interesting statistic and very nice graph. I am surprised by the large number of Portuguese - what is the reason?
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The economy in Portugal is tanking, and has been for some time, with very few jobs. Emigration out of Portugal is a real problem for the country. If you go to Porto, the second largest city, it's like a ghost town in places. Which is a shame, because Portugal is fantastic, as are its people.
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Re: Foreigners in CH: Excellent graphic on swissinfo.ch

Interestingly it says 1/5 of the foreigners are Swiss born. I hear that there are generations of 'foreigners' in Switzerland.
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The economy in Portugal is tanking, and has been for some time, with very few jobs. Emigration out of Portugal is a real problem for the country. If you go to Porto, the second largest city, it's like a ghost town in places. Which is a shame, because Portugal is fantastic, as are its people.
I understand the economic reasons. However, there are many other European countries with far worse economies and many more people leaving. Yet, their numbers in Switzerland are very low (close to non-existent). I am more in interested weather there were any kind of agreements between the two countries that facilitated the immigration of Portuguese nationals.
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If you go to Porto, the second largest city, it's like a ghost town in places. Which is a shame, because Portugal is fantastic, as are its people.
Ghost town? Ghost town? Seriously? Ghost town is Zurich on a Sunday. Just go to the Norteshopping on a Sunday and you'll find out why the city centre might look like a ghost town...

But yes, the country is fantastic.

(But seriously, the population of the greater area of Porto has actually increased. What happened was a weird exodus from the city center in the 80's-90's, which is now reversing slowly - what was a drug area 20 years ago is a hipster bar corner nowadays. Most of the population is concentrated on "satelite towns" which meanwhile have been merged into the city net due to natural expantion of both).

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Interesting statistic and very nice graph. I am surprised by the large number of Portuguese - what is the reason?
Portuguese emigration to Switzerland is not new. There was a huge flux of Portuguese emigrating to central european countries (France, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Belgium) between the 50's and the 70's. They were runing away from a repressing dictatorship, and trying to improve their life from a very impoverished rural area (usually from the side glued to Spain). Why those countries? French language, baby, french language...

Portuguese imigrants are also less prone to ask for the Swiss nationality - as seen some time ago in an newspaper article which I unfortunately cannot find - because they are counting on going back to Portugal to retire - hence they never disappear from the "Portuguese Imigrants" slice. Part of that slice is still from people that came here in the 70's and are waiting to cash in.

The emigration to Switzerland picked up the pace in the 2010's again, but it's mostly a whole other type of emigrant - there is a big percentage of university degrees running from the country. Reason is partially the same: economy is in the gutter, specially for fellows with a higher education. Just no more political persecution and with the advantage that Switzerland knows now what Portuguese workers are like and are ok with hiring them (we do have a reputation for being good working site men/good cleaning ladies if nothing else...).

But some things never change: the same way Swiss like to hire their Portuguese to do the jobs they don't want to do (construction and cleaning), Portuguese in their home country give the same jobs to people from the ex-african colonies and ukranians in the very same fashion. The whole world is one big never ending cycle.

Ah, the topic of emigration has so much more behind than a simple plane ticket and work permit... We could go on for hours.
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Stumbled on this article that I found very informative and has an excellent interactive graphic on foreigner composition in CH (totally 2 million).

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/data_who...land-/41942052

e.g. I did not know that circa 80% of all foreigners are Europeans, of which Germany, Portugal, Italy contribute 15% each and France next 5%. So half of all foreigners in CH are from these 4 countries.

10% are from Asia, and Africa and Americas contribute 5% each.
Interesting article.

That was one of the odd things about the DSI initiative for compulsorily deporting foreign criminals, same for the AI initiative; this was the fact that about a third of the foreigners here come from surrounding countries so deporting such criminals back to these countries means they could finish up living just one kilometre away over the border.
How this makes me feel safer I don't know!
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Interesting statistic and very nice graph. I am surprised by the large number of Portuguese - what is the reason?

AFAIK quite a large number of Portuguese work in the hospitality industry. Females tends to be hotel workers, in whatever capacity [often chambermaids] and men work as waiters.
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Ghost town? Ghost town? Seriously?
Sure, I've never seen a city with so many empty houses and buildings so close to the city center. Most other cities would have snapped up such prize real estate. Don't get me wrong, I think Porto is a terrific city, but it's shocking when you see all those empty buildings decaying.
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Sure, I've never seen a city with so many empty houses and buildings so close to the city center. Most other cities would have snapped up such prize real estate. Don't get me wrong, I think Porto is a terrific city, but it's shocking when you see all those empty buildings decaying.
Ah, that is one big tough cookie. Are you willing to go through a wall of text to find out why that is so? Here goes:

The city center of Porto - the medieval part - is ridden with problems. Not the kind you probably are thinking about. A lot of those buildings, some of them even churches, belong to private people. Well, they did. Some of those buildings belonged to private people that had run away from Portugal during the dictatorship (a lot of them went to Africa to invest their money "safely" -ah ah) and when the dictatorship fell there was a big mess in the bureaucratic side of things - documents disappeared during the revolution, some corruption made them "change hands", a big social uproar of "there should be no private property" made some being simply taken over Occupy Wallstreet style... A big mess. There are some legal movements even today, 40 years later, to get those buildings to the right people (I know this personally very well). Meanwhile they decay because you can't touch them without knowing who they belong to - therefore who gets to pay the bill. Some workshops which took over the groundfloor are still there, but quite often the top floors are abandoned. (Of course you also have the more banal reason - no monies to fix it, they decay, cycle goes on for decades, no one with sanity and money would want to rent there).

There was also a big internal exodus in the 80's and 90's - people got some freedom and wanted a better place for their children, with gardens and new infrastructures (think Suburbia). Which means the cramped, tiny, old medieval houses in the city center were left to the very poor. Which became a big social problem, with drug and other usually associated problems.

Meanwhile there has been a social movement to avoid the problematic segregation of the poor (and other special specific part of the population that usually ends up in guettos), and a big movement of young blood has been taking over that city center. I was actually shocked last time I visited Portugal - there is a real big movement to finally recover those buildings and it's going really fast (I was even considering taking over a project).

It has become fashionable among architects to recover the water front of Porto (which is world heritage, btw). However, after these architects get their hands on these places, they turn them into fancy wancy apartments for the very foreign rich. Which is creating a whole other trouble (which includes a serious case of corruption with giving european permits to certain non-eu nationals of ill repute).

So meanwhile the city centre is basically less populated visually because it's taken over only during the night by the young people looking for a beer, and during the day is more of a tourism area. Btw, some of these buildings have been turned into great hotels (do please stay in one! it's worth it ).

The regular middle class joe (the great majority of the population) tends to live outside the city and only go there for shopping/schooling. They are concentrated in other areas on their free time.

This is a rather concentrated and simplified version of the whole trouble, but I hope it explains some of it
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Thanks for that, I had no idea!

Just remember when I was there last, seeing once magnificent old houses with fantastic views overlooking the river, completely uninhabitable and rotten on the inside. Such a shame. Good to get some background to it all.
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Re: Foreigners in CH: Excellent graphic on swissinfo.ch

And a somewhat related graphic. Overseas in this case means outside the country.


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