Go Back   English Forum Switzerland > Living in Switzerland > Swiss politics/news
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 21.04.2016, 13:50
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Buchs ZH
Posts: 106
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 73 Times in 35 Posts
Lyndsay82 is considered knowledgeableLyndsay82 is considered knowledgeableLyndsay82 is considered knowledgeable
Handsome reward

I read about this that happened on Thursday in Lucern.

http://lenews.ch/2016/04/18/handsome...-full-of-cash/

It's nice to hear a story like this but I had no idea that you had to report something to the police that you have found which has a value of more than 10 CHF

Is this a new ruling or has it always been the case?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 21.04.2016, 13:57
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 11,168
Groaned at 295 Times in 232 Posts
Thanked 15,586 Times in 6,348 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

I think its sad that they need a law for a.) handing something in and b.) rewarding someone for handing something in.

Don't people feel they can do something nice like this without it having to be written into law?
Reply With Quote
The following 3 users would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #3  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:02
Sbrinz's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Murten - Morat
Posts: 11,916
Groaned at 590 Times in 377 Posts
Thanked 11,538 Times in 5,935 Posts
Sbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond reputeSbrinz has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

The law was always there, Swiss law requires anyone who finds something that is clearly worth more than 10 francs to report it to the police (article 720B of the Swiss civil code) and hand it in, either directly to the owner, to the relevant lost and found service, or to the police.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank Sbrinz for this useful post:
  #4  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:03
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Buchs ZH
Posts: 106
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 73 Times in 35 Posts
Lyndsay82 is considered knowledgeableLyndsay82 is considered knowledgeableLyndsay82 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Handsome reward

I agree Tom and I would have thought that a decent society like Switzerland this was not required but I had no idea that this was actually the law.

This is the first time I have heard about such a law. I wonder if this is common knowledge.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:03
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Buchs ZH
Posts: 106
Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts
Thanked 73 Times in 35 Posts
Lyndsay82 is considered knowledgeableLyndsay82 is considered knowledgeableLyndsay82 is considered knowledgeable
Re: Handsome reward

Thanks Sbrinz!

You learn something new every day
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Lyndsay82 for this useful post:
  #6  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:15
EastEnders's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Biel/Bienne
Posts: 1,660
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 2,087 Times in 808 Posts
EastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
This is the first time I have heard about such a law. I wonder if this is common knowledge.

It most likely is to anyone who grew up and went so school here, we got this taught at school in Staatskunde (civics?).

It is also law to pay an appropriate reward to the finder....tho' there is no law about how much this is, common opinion is 10% of the monetary worth of the found thing.


Albeit in German, a really good article from consumer Magazine BEOBACHTER

http://www.beobachter.ch/justiz-beho...n-bekommt-man/
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank EastEnders for this useful post:
  #7  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:34
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 10,186
Groaned at 241 Times in 203 Posts
Thanked 18,350 Times in 6,703 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
I think its sad that they need a law for a.) handing something in and b.) rewarding someone for handing something in.

Don't people feel they can do something nice like this without it having to be written into law?
I'll be honest: Yes, if I find a wallet with a lot of documents, bank cards and what not in it is it a no-brainer that I'll hand it in. But it still takes a law, because I think everyone will have a limit at which he is tempted to keep what he found. Being in a financially relatively comfortable situation means my limit is probably higher than somebody who earns much less, but well: If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? At what amount would you do so? I think that 7k CHF are a lot of money for a lot of people...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Treverus for this useful post:
  #8  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:38
NotAllThere's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Baselland
Posts: 9,678
Groaned at 148 Times in 130 Posts
Thanked 13,468 Times in 5,467 Posts
NotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond reputeNotAllThere has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
...If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? ....
No, because I'd be worried the mob would find it was me...
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:38
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 11,168
Groaned at 295 Times in 232 Posts
Thanked 15,586 Times in 6,348 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
I'll be honest: Yes, if I find a wallet with a lot of documents, bank cards and what not in it is it a no-brainer that I'll hand it in. But it still takes a law, because I think everyone will have a limit at which he is tempted to keep what he found. Being in a financially relatively comfortable situation means my limit is probably higher than somebody who earns much less, but well: If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? At what amount would you do so? I think that 7k CHF are a lot of money for a lot of people...
I would hand it in - without thinking - and without expecting a reward.

I actually find it quite offensive that you are suggesting that people less well off than you would be more likely to keep (steal) the money.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Tom1234 for this useful post:
  #10  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:46
EastEnders's Avatar
Forum Veteran
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Biel/Bienne
Posts: 1,660
Groaned at 10 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 2,087 Times in 808 Posts
EastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond reputeEastEnders has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
Being in a financially relatively comfortable situation means my limit is probably higher than somebody who earns much less, but well: If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? At what amount would you do so? I think that 7k CHF are a lot of money for a lot of people...

I am, what is officially considered poor and we are living below the breadline! (and no, not living off the social, IV or any such thing!)

I found a few things in my time, but would never have dreamed of keeping it and always handed it over to the Fundbüro at the police station. Taught the same to my girls as well.

My personal conscience and honesty is more important to me, than a wad of cash or whatever riches one may imagine.

Your post suggests to me, that because I have not much, I am predestined to steal ???? Please tell me, i am understanding your post completely wrong and it wasn't meant that way.
__________________
I may now be totally deaf & blonde, tho' I am NOT dumb yet. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1057050264371996/
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank EastEnders for this useful post:
  #11  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:55
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 10,186
Groaned at 241 Times in 203 Posts
Thanked 18,350 Times in 6,703 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
I actually find it quite offensive that you are suggesting that people less well off than you would be more likely to keep (steal) the money.


I honestly don't care a bit weather you are offended or not. And while we are at it: Keeping something you find is in my eyes not at all the same as stealing. One thing happens by chance and the other requires criminal intent. And no, I do not say that people less well off are more likely to have criminal intentions.


All I am is a realist: If I find a wallet with 7k will I give it back. If I find a suitcase with 100k in it am I likely to hand it in, but it will be tempting to keep it. And yes, there will be some amount at which point it would be life changing and really really tempting. I frankly don't believe anyone who says he'd never even consider it... but hey, it's the EF, so lets get on with your holy mission...
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Treverus for this useful post:
The following 3 users groan at Treverus for this post:
  #12  
Old 21.04.2016, 14:56
Treverus's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 10,186
Groaned at 241 Times in 203 Posts
Thanked 18,350 Times in 6,703 Posts
Treverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond reputeTreverus has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
No, because I'd be worried the mob would find it was me...
Right. And the mob would love you for handing it to the cops?
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 21.04.2016, 16:06
Tom1234's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Kanton Luzern
Posts: 11,168
Groaned at 295 Times in 232 Posts
Thanked 15,586 Times in 6,348 Posts
Tom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond reputeTom1234 has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
even consider it... but hey, it's the EF, so lets get on with your holy mission...
Surprise, surprise sunshine. You've just discovered that other people have moral standards that differ from your own.

And when the hell did you decide that yours were the gold standard?
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 21.04.2016, 23:37
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Baselland
Posts: 171
Groaned at 12 Times in 9 Posts
Thanked 240 Times in 92 Posts
stupot is considered knowledgeablestupot is considered knowledgeablestupot is considered knowledgeable
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
I'll be honest: Yes, if I find a wallet with a lot of documents, bank cards and what not in it is it a no-brainer that I'll hand it in. But it still takes a law, because I think everyone will have a limit at which he is tempted to keep what he found. Being in a financially relatively comfortable situation means my limit is probably higher than somebody who earns much less, but well: If you find a briefcase full of cash... would you never ever consider keeping it? At what amount would you do so? I think that 7k CHF are a lot of money for a lot of people...
Just saw on tv the other day a test with a hidden camera in US. A guy has bank notes fixed all over his clothes and a sign saying take what you need. Guess who took the most money - all the well off business people. One stuck up woman filled her handbag and when confronted said she had an appointment for her nails. 7k is a lot of money and the person who has lost it probably needs it more than me. But in general I would trust the less well off than the greedy ever wanting more well off.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank stupot for this useful post:
  #15  
Old 21.04.2016, 23:50
st2lemans's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Lugano
Posts: 21,360
Groaned at 1,102 Times in 869 Posts
Thanked 24,083 Times in 11,516 Posts
st2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond reputest2lemans has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

I found CHF 90 on a path a couple years ago.

The cops were surprised that at I handed it in.

If no claim in two years, it's mine!

Tom
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank st2lemans for this useful post:
  #16  
Old 22.04.2016, 00:17
Wallabies's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Winterthur
Posts: 3,221
Groaned at 318 Times in 183 Posts
Thanked 3,314 Times in 1,577 Posts
Wallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
I found CHF 90 on a path a couple years ago.

The cops were surprised that at I handed it in.

If no claim in two years, it's mine!

Tom
You are mad!
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 22.04.2016, 06:51
Corbets's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Zug, CH
Posts: 3,141
Groaned at 166 Times in 121 Posts
Thanked 6,181 Times in 2,084 Posts
Corbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond reputeCorbets has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
Keeping something you find is in my eyes not at all the same as stealing. One thing happens by chance and the other requires criminal intent.
Keeping something you find still requires intent. You don't "accidentally" put the briefcase full of money in your apartment.

Additionally, as noted in the first few comments on this thread, it is illegal not to turn it in.

Thus, criminal intent.
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 22.04.2016, 07:06
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: CH
Posts: 6,167
Groaned at 214 Times in 165 Posts
Thanked 7,542 Times in 4,068 Posts
greenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond reputegreenmount has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
It most likely is to anyone who grew up and went so school here, we got this taught at school in Staatskunde (civics?).

It is also law to pay an appropriate reward to the finder....tho' there is no law about how much this is, common opinion is 10% of the monetary worth of the found thing.


Albeit in German, a really good article from consumer Magazine BEOBACHTER

http://www.beobachter.ch/justiz-beho...n-bekommt-man/
Ha ha, didn't know it was written in the law that they should reward people for handing in the things they found. I almost felt offended when I handed in a wallet to an older man (I have noticed he dropped it on the floor in a Coop) and he wanted to reward me with a banknote of 10 or 20 chf .....
My theory is that whoever does it they do not do it for a reward. (not that they wouldn't need a reward, mind)

Last edited by greenmount; 22.04.2016 at 08:01.
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users would like to thank greenmount for this useful post:
  #19  
Old 22.04.2016, 07:08
Wallabies's Avatar
Forum Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Winterthur
Posts: 3,221
Groaned at 318 Times in 183 Posts
Thanked 3,314 Times in 1,577 Posts
Wallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond reputeWallabies has a reputation beyond repute
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
Keeping something you find still requires intent. You don't "accidentally" put the briefcase full of money in your apartment.

Additionally, as noted in the first few comments on this thread, it is illegal not to turn it in.

Thus, criminal intent.
Prove it! That is the suitcase my son found and he sat it down I was meaning to ring and inquire but forgot, there was nver any intent to keep it.
Reply With Quote
This user would like to thank Wallabies for this useful post:
  #20  
Old 23.04.2016, 02:25
Banned
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Basel
Posts: 30
Groaned at 38 Times in 15 Posts
Thanked 20 Times in 9 Posts
scala is considered a nuisancescala is considered a nuisancescala is considered a nuisance
Re: Handsome reward

Quote:
View Post
Just saw on tv the other day a test with a hidden camera in US. A guy has bank notes fixed all over his clothes and a sign saying take what you need. Guess who took the most money - all the well off business people. One stuck up woman filled her handbag and when confronted said she had an appointment for her nails. 7k is a lot of money and the person who has lost it probably needs it more than me. But in general I would trust the less well off than the greedy ever wanting more well off.
Bet they were Swiss .... probably worked for one of the swiss banks who are being done for fraud and tax evasion ....greed seems to be part of there genes here
Reply With Quote
The following 2 users groan at scala for this post:
Reply

Tags
lost and found, news, reward




Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Handsome Cat Seeks New Human(s) Bookworm Pet Trading Post 3 04.06.2012 10:31
Handsome rooster FREE to a good home (in Au ZH) nessy Pet corner 18 07.06.2011 09:53
stolen mountain bike 500chf reward [Basel] Coralee Other/general 12 22.04.2009 09:59
PC problems [Fix for reward/job] Lynn Jobs wanted 5 06.10.2008 10:18
[Zurich] Desperately seeking a place - potential reward offered tshb Housing in general 9 16.06.2008 17:41


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 14:11.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.1.0