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Old 15.06.2016, 21:14
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Switzerland and Brexit

I was curious for those in the Remain camp, whether they would also be in favour of Switzerland joining the EU or against and for what reasons?

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Re: Swizterland and Brexit

No, because I like it as it is.
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Old 15.06.2016, 21:28
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Re: Swizterland and Brexit

Phil, you have commented already negatively on Switzerland not applying to join the EU, so why the Poll ?
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Phil, you have commented already negatively on Switzerland not applying to join the EU, so why the Poll ?
I'm interested to see if there really is an innate preference for the status quo. Some people I know are very pro EU and think every country in the world should join (including Switzerland).

I'm also interested to see how people who are in the Remain camp, yet are against Swiss membership of the EU rationalise the difference.
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Re: Switzerland and Brexit

A small economy in the heart of Europe, neighbouring with its 3 superpowers and an island economy at the edge of Europe, 7 times bigger, with its own specially crafted rules. Not much in common yet they both rely on EU as their biggest trading partner and talent source. Switzerland pays in like any other country and adopted all the European laws and treaties, no reason to be completely in. UK also has its own set of rules and the best of both worlds, should not risk it all for nothing.

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Re: Switzerland and Brexit

I'm pro World-State I guess, being a non-EU, my opinion doesn't count here
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Old 15.06.2016, 23:05
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Re: Switzerland and Brexit

The poll tries to equate two disparate situations.

The UK exiting the EU will not be in the same position as Switzerland is now (with the treaties already negotiated and signed with the EU) and won't be for some time, if ever. However, as I'm not Swiss I don't care whether Switzerland joins the EU or not. It has its own currency, and that'll do me.
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Old 15.06.2016, 23:11
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Re: Switzerland and Brexit

Switzerland is in the middle of the EU and completely surrounded by EU countries.
There are bilateral agreements which have to be reviewed, negotiated and updated on a regular basis.

It would be far simpler and cheaper for Switzerland to be a member.
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I was curious for those in the Remain camp, whether they would also be in favour of Switzerland joining the EU or against and for what reasons?
The difference is in the two verbs...REMAIN and JOIN...they are very different. UK is already a member and has various special conditions negotiated over the years, including opt outs from Eurozone and ever closer union. Considering that one of the rules for joining the EU is to adopt the Euro, Switzerland (in an act of JOINing the EU) would be required to throw away the CHF...there's the reason in one single point...
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Re: Switzerland and Brexit

They should dissolve the EU and keep the common currency and bilateral treaties.
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Re: Switzerland and Brexit

They should dissolve common currency and bilateral treaties and keep the EU.
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Re: Switzerland and Brexit

I think it's a matter for the Swiss people alone to decide. Perhaps you could add a third option to that effect.


When it was Grexit last year, I was very aware that the referendum was purely about austerity measures, but the knock on effect could lead to Greece leaving the EU.

I went to Greece with preconceptions and a set of opinions based upon British media and talking a couple of my OH's family members in the UK. We spent two weeks talking to all my OH's extended family who live there and literally hundreds of people. We were interviewed by a Norwegian news agency whilst on Aegina. Spent the afternoon before the referendum talking to reps from the parties in Syntagma Square, particularly EPON. The day before the referendum, I had my answers and knew some of my key initial opinions had been wrong.

I simply don't know enough about Swiss politics to give a reasoned opinion.
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No, because I like it as it is.
Simply this.
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Old 16.06.2016, 08:23
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I'm interested to see if there really is an innate preference for the status quo. Some people I know are very pro EU and think every country in the world should join (including Switzerland).

I'm also interested to see how people who are in the Remain camp, yet are against Swiss membership of the EU rationalise the difference.
Switzerland is withdrawing it's application to join the EU,

http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/sch...id5151603.html
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I was curious for those in the Remain camp, whether they would also be in favour of Switzerland joining the EU or against and for what reasons?
From the perspective of Realpolitik, the future of the EU surviving the next few years is presently in some doubt if Brexit occurs. How likely this is, is another debate, but however small this danger is, it is not entirely insignificant at present.

As such Switzerland certainly should not join the EU for the short to medium term and should adopt a position of 'wait and see' whether the EU will be around in ten years or not - even if Brexit is rejected.

And if the EU does fall apart, then Switzerland will have done well to keep out of it all.

However, if the EU survives the current crisis and begins to thrive once again, then it becomes an inevitability. Switzerland has always thrived on being the crossroads between the various powers and historically has done more badly when (largely) surrounded by one unified power (e.g. Napoleonic period, World War II, EU). The EU dominates the Swiss economy and if the EU continues then so will this domination.

This leaves Switzerland in a situation whereby eventually, perhaps kicking and screaming, she will have to resign itself to joining or be left in a very disadvantageous position as a nominally (and I stress the nominal bit) independent state that is de facto under the EU sphere but without any say in the EU.

In that scenario I would hope that common sense would prevail and Switzerland would not join at the last minute when it's hand is much, much weaker. A stronger Switzerland could demand significant concessions upon joining, while one with no option but to join would get few.

Of course, this is where that suicidal insanity which is nationalism could well do the Swiss a disservice, should it ever come to pass.

But for the time being, absolutely not.
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Old 16.06.2016, 10:16
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Switzerland is withdrawing it's application to join the EU,

http://www.blick.ch/news/politik/sch...id5151603.html
That is a technical sort of decision.

It is not clear that the Swiss application from many years ago was anyway still valid; certainly Switzerland is/was not in the official EU list of EU applicants.
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Old 16.06.2016, 10:26
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That is a technical sort of decision.
It's a pretty political one too. My guess is Brussels will see it as a 'kicking a guy while he's down' move.
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It's a pretty political one too. My guess is Brussels will see it as a 'kicking a guy while he's down' move.
The parliament has been debating this issue multiple times and tried to get a majority for this move. It's not as if some evil power had lain in wait for just the right moment.

I do agree though that this is much more than a mere formality. Considering how much of a fight the minority put up, the argument is defeated by its proponents' very actions.
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Phil, you have commented already negatively on Switzerland not applying to join the EU, so why the Poll ?
Has he?
where?
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They should dissolve the EU and the common currency and bilateral treaties.
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