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Old 08.06.2008, 17:33
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Re: Canton Zurich: Smoking Vote September 28

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Absolute rubbish, bar takings are way down on last year.
I totally agree with this quote too ........

The bars that I still frequent when I go home are really suffering as they do not have an outside area to use ....

Those with gardens and courtyards have converted them into fabulous areas with tv's and heaters , result being no one uses the inside areas anymore......the non smokers all join the smokers outside .....

The 5pm trade has gone , all those guys that used to go for a pint and a smoke before they went home have disappeared .....no point in them going anymore

I really think they should have given more thought to it , and the different type of bars that exist .....pubs serving food, no smoking , thats fine ....others should have been given the choice ....that way the landlords had options as would the customers .....

Just my opinion of course , as a filthy smoker ......lol ......and yes I would love to give it up but I just can t !! I know its down to willpower but if I had will power I would be a salad eating, non smoking, size 10 babe .......
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Old 08.06.2008, 17:45
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Re: Canton Zurich: Smoking Vote September 28

I am another filthy smoker, and it was a shock for me coming to Switzerland when all pubs and clubs and eateries have banned it at home. I was actually used to going outside.

I think there should be designated smoking / non in bars, but I think it should be totally banned where food is eaten. It is gross when someone lites up when you are eating . I still make a most concerned effort to go outside in most cases.

Too much info? Sorry, never got to the other thread
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Old 08.06.2008, 17:46
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I should point out for EF irregulars that the subject of smoking in Switzerland has been done to death here
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Old 08.06.2008, 18:49
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Absolute rubbish, bar takings are way down on last year.
Oh dear, the chavs will have to stand outside when Wetherspoons shutdown?
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Old 08.06.2008, 19:10
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I am another filthy smoker, and it was a shock for me coming to Switzerland when all pubs and clubs and eateries have banned it at home. I was actually used to going outside.

I think there should be designated smoking / non in bars, but I think it should be totally banned where food is eaten. It is gross when someone lites up when you are eating . I still make a most concerned effort to go outside in most cases.

Too much info? Sorry, never got to the other thread
Snap i am just like you i respect the non smokers, and to be honest if i am eating, and someone starts smoking next to me i am not to happy, as i like to enjoy my meal without breathing in smoke, i also never eat, and smoke at the same time so why should i breath other paoples smoke in while eating, if i have the respect not to smoke when people are eating then is it too much to ask in return?
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Re: Canton Zurich: Smoking Vote September 28

I am looking forward to my next trip down to Geneva next month which is after the Smoking Ban will be in effect. I can go out drinking without worrying if I end up with a blocked sinuses or worse a stinking cold afterwards.
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Oh dear, the chavs will have to stand outside when Wetherspoons shutdown?
The problem is my dear friend Wetherspoons + the national chains is all you will be left with..

Welcome to chav heaven
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Oh dear, the chavs will have to stand outside when Wetherspoons shutdown?
I can see a forest of Burberry brollies already...
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Old 10.06.2008, 08:13
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Re: Canton Zurich: Smoking Vote September 28

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I think there should be designated areas for smoking / non in bars
I totally agree

Smoking outside

Non inside
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I dislike smoking and will not tolerate a smoky environment however I would stop short of saying that I dislike smokers. An nasty habit doesn't define a person's value.

As for the rest of your list - who is making these rules and who is enforcing them? They don't seem to have filtered through to my quiet area of Aargau....
You are right, I don't hate the people in general either. For me they are smokers while they smoke and that's the time I avoid them. And when do you avoid people? When you hate them .

What I basically wanted to say is that I'm concerned about our laws but mainly books of prohibitions getting thicker and thicker. One day we won't be allowed to do anything. I didn't want to focus on sports or anything else. Just every time a prohibition is being discussed I need to warn people in what direction it goes. The direction of intollerance and heteronomy. Who is making those rules? Our society. How is it making those rules? By democracy. There will be continually less personal responsability. The community says what's right and what's wrong and everybody has to do what everybody does.

Especially for Aargau: In Zurzach they have forbidden children under 15 to leave the house after 22:00 that's just stupid and against the federal constitution.

I basically agree with people that are for prohibition of smoking cause there is absolutely no point of smoking, it's just damaging. But I want to remind these people that this is another prohibition, which I basically find no good either.
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Old 17.06.2008, 14:08
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Re: Canton Zurich: Smoking Vote September 28

Story to share:

I was at a pizzeria restaurant last weekend in Luzern.
I was there with my 2 young children (2 and 4 years old), with my wife and mother (visiting).
We ordered our food, then waited.

Then came along 6 Russian or Polish kids. They are barely 15 years old (looks). They were all chain smoking, not cigs but some foul-smelling thin-cigars... (not sure what those are called).

It was funny cos they looked like they started smoking yesterday, and they wanted (yet) to look cool. All wore sunglass INSIDE the restaurant while outside there was no sun.

One of them actually stared at me, when I look at him.

They ordered 3 pizzas to share, and also 6 beers.
5 mins later, the manager came and asked for identification. They failed.
3 of them left whilst the other 3 drank NOTHING and ate their pizzas.
10 mins later, the 3 returned and shared the pizzas.

There should also be a age-limit for smokers. And that should be set at 50 years old, by then the smoker is normally quite civil and polite not to light up, amongst children and when others are eating.

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PS: I hate people who light up when others are eating nearby. Or when very young children are near them. They don't give a F**K!
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Old 17.06.2008, 18:08
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plus a ban on sales of cigarettes to under 16s comes into force then too.
you mean, there wasnt a ban on selling to under 16s already?
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"We looked across the restaurant and recognised HAT, that weird guy from the internet. Not wanting to be seen drinking in the same establishment as him, we bolted our pizzas, and even left our beer."

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One of them actually stared at me, when I look at him.

They ordered 3 pizzas to share, and also 6 beers.
5 mins later, the manager came and asked for identification. They failed.
3 of them left whilst the other 3 drank NOTHING and ate their pizzas.
10 mins later, the 3 returned and shared the pizzas.
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Re: Canton Zurich: Smoking Vote September 28

I quit smoking a while back. I have to say I don't agree with a total ban. I think restaurants and bars should be allowed to have smoking provided they meet certain criteria in terms of ventilation. It should be policed in much the same way as food preperation is in a health and safety context. Existing businesses should be helped to meet the criteria. While I don't really like being in a smokey place, I like a government that controls everything people do a whole lot less. And mark my words people, when the antismoking lobby wins this, they'll go after alcohol.
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While I don't really like being in a smokey place, I like a government that controls everything people do a whole lot less.
Thanks, that sums it up quite well.

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And mark my words people, when the antismoking lobby wins this, they'll go after alcohol.
You're completely right, they already are restricting access to alcohol but it's pretty much the same question. I think it's very bad that the state actually thinks it's necessary to fight alcohol abuse, cause people are abusing it. What bothers me most, is that people can't be punished for things they do when they're drunk. It's actually their decision to drink until they get drunk and they should have to take the full consequences. So they know that if they're drunk they're risking to do a crime and be punished for it. That would be good, at lest better than interdictions of the use of alcohol. It would be some kind of a indirect interdiction. So people would take a risk when drinking too much, but drinking too much itself isn't forbidden.
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Old 19.06.2008, 16:52
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I quit smoking a while back. I have to say I don't agree with a total ban. I think restaurants and bars should be allowed to have smoking provided they meet certain criteria in terms of ventilation. It should be policed in much the same way as food preperation is in a health and safety context. Existing businesses should be helped to meet the criteria. While I don't really like being in a smokey place, I like a government that controls everything people do a whole lot less. And mark my words people, when the antismoking lobby wins this, they'll go after alcohol.
It's because such criteria is not met that a smoking ban will come. And at least in Switzerland you will see and have seen the high % of people who voted for such bans.

Last week I was in the UK and stayed in France on the way there and back. Eating our was a joy, not wondering if the next table's occupants were about to light up. Coming back to Switzerland is like going back in time - and not to a better time.

We will look back in 10 years' time with mild astonishment that smoking was ever allowed in public places, restaurants, bars etc in any country. It will seem as absurd as travelling in a car without seat belts, or taking your kids in the car loose, or not using 'factor sun cream' and lying in the sun all day, or not washing your hands after using the lavatory...
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We will look back in 10 years' time with mild astonishment that smoking was ever allowed in public places, restaurants, bars etc in any country. It will seem as absurd as travelling in a car without seat belts, or taking your kids in the car loose, or not using 'factor sun cream' and lying in the sun all day, or not washing your hands after using the lavatory...
You're demonstrating very well the danger of all those bans. Not for suncream or washing hands but for seatbelts etc. You see those bans and obligations come one by one and you guys don't even notice, and one day you won't be allowed to do anything. Even if they want to protect you. I think it's pretty much your business if you want to protect yourself. The new police law of the canton of Zürich wanted to give right to police to arrest people who endanger themselves. You're not even allowed to kill yourself.
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<snip>You're not even allowed to kill yourself.
I didn't realise that was a 'good thing'.

The reality is that we have far more freedoms than ever before - not less. This forum is an excellent example...
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