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Old 22.09.2016, 16:20
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Bags and Swiss retail

Starting in Oct/Nov, to be completed at the latest in about 2 years, Migros and Coop will start billing 5 rappen per plastic baggie chosen and used at the till and the self-checkout.
Plastic bags used to pack fruits/veg within the store (the transparent bags hanging next to the veg/fruit stands) remain free of charge. The stores don't expect that customers will take plastic baggies from the fruit/veg sections to pack their purchases at the till to get around the 5 rappen charge.
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On the other hand, Lidl is getting rid of their thin plastic bags in 2017 and will be offering paper bags, for which they will also charge something.
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Personally, I have always tried to bring my own (forever reusable) bag whenever possible, and simply adapt the stash of extra bags which I bring along to the expected weather - if wet/rainy, I bring plastic, if dry, I bring paper. Also, having some of the thick material bags sold for CHF 2 or so in Coop/Migros etc. for heavy purchases is very handy indeed.

What do you think?

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Old 22.09.2016, 16:23
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

I´m fine with this, I bring my own bags most of the time anyway
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Old 22.09.2016, 16:27
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

It's about time. Other European countries have started banning the thin white plastic bags years ago already.
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Old 22.09.2016, 16:31
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

Our Migros hasn't had the thin plastic bags for over a year, I actually thought they'd done away with them already.
I think they may still have them in coop but not sure as I always take my own bags anyway.
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Old 22.09.2016, 16:35
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

Of course the supermarkets are reluctant to get rid of the bags at the fruit and vegetables section, because these are part of the system for self service weighing of goods by customers.
The alternative would mean installing (at significant cost) weighing machines at the checkouts and training the cashiers to they could recognise the difference between a coconut and a tomato.
Easy to do, and great potential for boasting environmental consciousness credentials, is to charge a few rappen for bags acquired at the checkout.
Having said that, it is of course a good idea to minimise waste.
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Of course the supermarkets are reluctant to get rid of the bags at the fruit and vegetables section, because these are part of the system for self service weighing of goods by customers.
The alternative would mean installing (at significant cost) weighing machines at the checkouts and training the cashiers to they could recognise the difference between a coconut and a tomato.
Easy to do, and great potential for boasting environmental consciousness credentials, is to charge a few rappen for bags acquired at the checkout.
Having said that, it is of course a good idea to minimise waste.
The baggies in the fruit/veg section are staying, I can't see any intention in any news that anyone's even considering getting rid of them. Getting rid of plastic baggies in general has been in the news for four years already .

Note that they aren't getting rid of all plastic bags at the till - the firmer ones, meaning those which cashiers use to pack clothes and such (non-food items), will still be given to customers who purchase those items. So, if you need a plastic bag other than the thin ones at the veg/fruit stand, simply organize your shopping in such a way that you buy a non-food item which necessitates one of the free plastic bags at the till.
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Ehm... They have done that in Portugal years ago. They didn't have to teach the cashiers anything special - they have a catalogue with photos of all fruit and vegetable they can check anytime to search the right code.

The reason was less to do with environment and more to do with people putting 3 mangos in the scale, but bagging 4...

I think Aldi has the same system here?

It works fine. Some people don't even bother bagging the fruit (I for example don't do it when it's a hard shell).
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

That sucks. The coop bags were perfect for the toilet trash can. Now what am i supposed to do?!? FWP
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Old 22.09.2016, 17:08
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

Migros has some lace type bags you can buy for weighing fruit and veg including an area to stick the label on. We've been using them for a few weeks including at the Coop with no issues.
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

In the meantime we'll continue to have 4 slices of ham/and all other cold meats packed in a thick two-part plastic tray with picture of some sort on it printed in five colours. Then packets of nine biscuits as above. Apples with labels on them. Sugar in teeenyweeny packets. Coffee cream and coffee in little tubs. 2 pieces of schwarzwalder packed in a small edition of Sydney Opera House. Cucumbers in plastic sleeves. Batteries packed in five colour units designed by the Ministry of Defence. Etc.


Migros already sell compostable small plastic bags for inlaying in compost bins. Why can't we have one of these for 5 Rappen?


There must be a reason...?
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Migros already sell compostable small plastic bags for inlaying in compost bins. Why can't we have one of these for 5 Rappen?


There must be a reason...?
Just an FYI, those bags apparently decompose too slowly and some communes seem to have prohibited/recommended not to use them for this reason.

Sources here and here

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That sucks. The coop bags were perfect for the toilet trash can. Now what am i supposed to do?!? FWP
In Italy, if you don't have your own bags, at checkout you can get (at a small cost) eco-friendly bags - biodegradable plastics I think it's called. I know my mom uses them to store food trash (which is separately binned from other, recyclable, stuff).

EDIT - is this the same stuff that communes are banning, per above?
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EDIT - is this the same stuff that communes are banning, per above?
I think somewhere there was a discussion about inventing baggies which one could use to pack veggies/fruits and later dispose of in compost - I'm not sure if this idea was dropped due to the bags being too expensive, people considering it a waste of time to change from the current plastic baggies or if they wouldn't have been biodegradable enough, e.g. the same material as the current compo-bag bags sold in Migros/Coop.

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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

Here you go. Veggie bags


https://www.migros.ch/de/genossensch...ggie-bags.html
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Migros has some lace type bags you can buy for weighing fruit and veg including an area to stick the label on. We've been using them for a few weeks including at the Coop with no issues.
They're also great for keeping the fruit flies off your plums at home.
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

. You can wash them at 30 degrees

The idea apparently is that one should weigh the produce before putting it in that bag - sorry but no. The commenters in the migros forum aren't too impressed with this either.

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You can wash them at 30 degrees

The idea apparently is that one should weigh the produce before putting it in that bag - sorry but no. The commenters in the migros forum aren't too impressed with this either.

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Why not? Seems like a good idea to me.
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Re: Bags and Swiss retail

I usually forget to take my re-usable bags and need to buy more.. Which i then add to the re-usable bag mountain we have at home.

I should start a bag sale.
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... or get organised and not forget -hey ho

Totally agree with charging for bags GP - and also for the fruit/veg bags too- as BM says, why not- excellent idea.
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Why not? Seems like a good idea to me.
Because I buy multiple fruits and veggies at once.

E.g. I buy 10 tomatoes, 10 kiwis, 20 apricots and 10 onions.

I get two bags.
I put the tomatoes in one bag, weigh them, put their sticker on the bag.
I then put the kiwis in the other bag, weigh that, put their sticker on the tomato bag and add the kiwis to the tomato bag.
I then put the apricots in the other - now empty again - bag, weigh that, put their sticker on the tomato bag and add the apricots to the tomato bag.

I then weigh the onions in the second - now once again empty - bag, and put their sticker on the bag.

This way I have only two bags - at most - for all my fruits and veg, with all the stickers on the bag/s and no fruit/veg rolling around at any time.
It would be impossible to put all that stuff on the scale without a bag, even only one fruit type at a time, it would be rolling around everywhere and I'd be wasting people's time collecting the rolling-around fruit while people who also want to buy veg and fruit are waiting behind me.

So - if you only have 2-5 or so fruit/veg items to weigh, weighing them before bagging probably won't turn into a hassle. But trying that with larger amounts seems too much hassle.
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