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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

My experience: 77 flights in, 77 flights out (currently waiting to board today's incoming).

Never, ever been asked to show my permit.

Only once asked any questions on showing my passport. This was "how long are you going to stay?". For some reason the first thing that came into my head was the reply... "Until 2021... I have a B permit". At which border guard gave me a hard stare, then laughed, looked at his screen and said "ah yes, so I see".

However, I always make sure the permit is with me in my bag. And I also have a photo of it on my mobile as backup in case I should forget. Same with Swiss driving license.

My belief; they can check the system if necessary. Maybe you don't have to have it on you. But it's much easier to carry the permit with you - or at the very least a copy of it - just so you don't piss off the border police.

The one occasion I had an accident in a car here was the one time I forgot to take that bag with me when driving. The pic got me out of immediate trouble, but the wife kindly brought me the real thing while the police were still there. I don't wish that to happen again...

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Old 09.01.2017, 14:08
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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

Meanwhile, we stand by while the pedantic traveler asks a few questions...


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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

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Meanwhile, we stand by while the pedantic traveler asks a few questions...


And the point you are trying to make is what exactly?

Not content with showing your ignorance and inability to post anything useful to the discussion on Page 2 you feel you need to compound it

There has been enough bollocks spoken on here without requiring any more....

You don't need to worry anyway because it says on your profile you are US so you should be in a different queue to me......you do understand all this is based on the EU/CH relationship don't you?
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Old 09.01.2017, 19:46
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And the point you are trying to make is what exactly?
it was a funny joke.

this thread has been hugely entertaining.

my own experience has been that i am rarely asked for the permit. i have been asked for it a couple of times when i didn't have it and was told that i should have it but there was nothing more to it. i have been asked once when i had it and that was fine as expected.

now, i just keep it in at the bottom of my rucksack which i always carry when flying.

i also keep a second copy folded into the size of a credit card in my wallet so can produce it whenever i have my wallet. i was challenged once at a customs border when reclaiming VAT when I initially produced my Swiss driver's license as ID (easier to get out of the wallet) but this was rejected and the officer there laughed in disbelief as I then fumbled to extract the two folded pages out of the wallet.
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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

Bazsc: you've learned an important lesson on EF - it is a reasonable reflection of people you meet in life: they mostly are clueless, mostly stupid, and mostly happy to tell you bollocks that is wrong and throw insults your way. There are a handful of regulars who provide good advice in specific areas - but you should always verify everything yourself to authoritative sources.

Lastly, it's been fun to watch a good performance of British bloody-mindedness in pursuing something to conclusion in the face of the crowds hurling insults and virtual rotting fruit.
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Old 10.01.2017, 01:15
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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

He was OTBC'd and the reason text deleted and replaced with the deliberately vague "none". And his thread complaining about this one was deleted.

Don't mess with customs guys, they have strange powers.
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He was OTBC'd and the reason text deleted and replaced with the deliberately vague "none". And his thread complaining about this one was deleted.

Don't mess with customs guys, they have strange powers.
Apparently at his own request.

Got tired of looking like a tool, I guess. He had some fair points but was a rather emotionally frustrated individual.
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Apparently at his own request.
so his wife was also annoyed by his posting behaviour
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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

Because he is a very grumpy person
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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

Is it a law or is it recommended to carry ID at all times?
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This is correct.



So? You still are quired to have them at all times.



Lying is a very bad idea, they could deny you entry for years.

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Old 11.01.2017, 00:04
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so his wife was also annoyed by his posting behaviour
Funny you should say that, it has crossed my mind last night whether his wife maybe told him "go bug someone else" and he chose us.

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Is it a law or is it recommended to carry ID at all times?
In your case, it's law.
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Old 11.01.2017, 00:33
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Because he is a very grumpy person
Clearly not, as I was booted from 'Grumpy Expats' for not being grumpy!

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Clearly not, as I was booted from 'Grumpy Expats' for not being grumpy!

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That's obviously a lie, you're no longer an expat.

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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

To those claiming that it is not illegal for a Swiss citizen to enter Switzerland on a foreign passport: I challenge you to try it.

More than once, when groggy from a transatlantic red-eye flight, I've handed the KaPo in Kloten my US passport by mistake, and gotten a tongue-lashing from the border cop about how it is illegal for me, a Swiss citizen, to attempt to enter Switzerland on a non-Swiss document. (I couldn't find the correct incantation of German or French legalese for Google to turn up the relevant legislation; someone else can give it a shot.) The cops made it exceedingly clear that if you are a Swiss citizen, you MUST enter on a Swiss passport or ID card.

(The US is the same: strictly illegal for citizens to enter on a foreign passport.)
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To those claiming that it is not illegal for a Swiss citizen to enter Switzerland on a foreign passport: I challenge you to try it.

More than once, when groggy from a transatlantic red-eye flight, I've handed the KaPo in Kloten my US passport by mistake, and gotten a tongue-lashing from the border cop about how it is illegal for me, a Swiss citizen, to attempt to enter Switzerland on a non-Swiss document. (I couldn't find the correct incantation of German or French legalese for Google to turn up the relevant legislation; someone else can give it a shot.) The cops made it exceedingly clear that if you are a Swiss citizen, you MUST enter on a Swiss passport or ID card.

(The US is the same: strictly illegal for citizens to enter on a foreign passport.)
I've heard 2 things.

1) You must show the same passport that you used when booking your plane ticket.
2) You must show the Swiss passport when entering Switzerland and your other passport when entering your other nation.

Logically it is difficult to satisfy both criteria. Unless you book two separate one way journeys with each passport.
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Old 20.01.2017, 10:43
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More than once, when groggy from a transatlantic red-eye flight, I've handed the KaPo in Kloten my US passport by mistake, and gotten a tongue-lashing from the border cop about how it is illegal for me, a Swiss citizen, to attempt to enter Switzerland on a non-Swiss document. (I couldn't find the correct incantation of German or French legalese for Google to turn up the relevant legislation; someone else can give it a shot.) The cops made it exceedingly clear that if you are a Swiss citizen, you MUST enter on a Swiss passport or ID card.
But the cop could not say which article of which particular law mandates you to do so? I tired too to find a lwa which mandates you to use your Swiss passport or ID card. I was not succesful. The next time ask the cop in a frindly manner if he may cite this particular legislation as it is part of a bet between you and a friend.

PS: I allways show my ID card and never the passport when at a Swiss or other Schengen airport immigration. Faster and and simpler. Never ever questioned or remarked in any way.
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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

If I don't have my permit ready, they've asked for it (for many years, now.) They can tell by the traffic in my passport that I'm not just on holiday here.
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Re: Not allowed entry without a resident's permit?

Well I guess itīs also depends on which nationality you have.
Mine is non US and non European that needs a visa to enter Switzerland, so I always bring my permit with me, as it is in a way proof that I do live in Switzerland and no longer needs a visa to enter.
I need to produce the permit before I can board my flight back in Switzerland already.
It also happen once when I was flying out of Switzerland with a transit in Germany, the immigration officer asked me how did I enter Europe as I did not have a valid visa, and after I showed him my permit, I was all good. I can imagine though if I didn't bring my permit at that time, I might have some troubles.
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I allways show my ID card and never the passport when at a Swiss or other Schengen airport immigration. Faster and and simpler. Never ever questioned or remarked in any way.
That's what I do as well, as does my daughter who lives in the US.

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