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st2lemans 13.01.2017 13:24

Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation
 
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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2722833)
I find it far more dangerous that Muslims are the scapegoats to prevent guys called Luca to finally completely integrate after their parents were already born here.

Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so. ;)

Tom

Treverus 13.01.2017 13:30

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2722943)
Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so. ;)

Tom

Yeah, but most Italians living in your area in Ticino are probably somehow tied to Italy and might even speak the language properly...

Guest 13.01.2017 13:36

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And that applied here too, to firstos and secondos- but not thirdos.

greenmount 13.01.2017 13:38

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Some just want to avoid the military service? :msnblush:

Treverus 13.01.2017 13:42

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 2722963)
Some just want to avoid the military service? :msnblush:

Why? "Italians make great soldier, but terrible officers" (Erwin Rommel)

curley 13.01.2017 13:47

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Originally Posted by baboon (Post 2722939)
Strictly speaking you're right but at least 90% of the time the dictum works after investigation as well.

True, yet the 10% are worth the investigation.

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2722943)
Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so. ;)

Tom

and therefore their EC membership.

Urs Max 13.01.2017 13:57

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2722943)
Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so. ;)

Tom

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2722953)
Yeah, but most Italians living in your area in Ticino are probably somehow tied to Italy and might even speak the language properly...

Same here in eastern CH.

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Originally Posted by greenmount (Post 2722963)
Some just want to avoid the military service? :msnblush:

Probably, though to a lesser extent I guess as some friends did serve in Italy. If memory serves Italy has mandatory military service as well but, again if memory serves, there were ways around it (not visiting the country during a certain age range?).

Dack Rambo 13.01.2017 14:20

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Originally Posted by Capo (Post 2722599)
When they will propose a ban on Islam in CH?

How about a ban on religion?

Dack Rambo 13.01.2017 14:28

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2722968)
Why? "Italians make great soldier, but terrible officers" (Erwin Rommel)


Officers of the German Wehrmacht carried out Nazi orders to exterminate Jews in concentration camps. I don't recall that any Italian officers participated in such an atrocity. There is a dangerous myth still around that it was "the Nazis" who carried out the Holocaust and that the German army somehow bears a lesser if any guilt.

Verbier 13.01.2017 14:31

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Here is the break-down of the +/- 25'000 that are concerned with the vote. The Italians are the vast majority.

http://files.newsnetz.ch/upload//1/0/108169.jpg

Details from 24heures (13.01.2017)

scipio 13.01.2017 14:33

Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation
 
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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2722943)
Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so. ;)

Tom

Italy allows double citizenship since 25 years or so, hence I have both passports. Most people I know, don't want to be Swiss because they would need to to military service.

greenmount 13.01.2017 14:36

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Originally Posted by Treverus (Post 2722968)
Why? "Italians make great soldier, but terrible officers" (Erwin Rommel)

I actually think it is the other way around.:)

Guest 13.01.2017 14:39

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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 2723010)
There is a dangerous myth still around that it was "the Nazis" who carried out the Holocaust and that the German army somehow bears a lesser if any guilt.

I also find it amusing sometimes when people refer to "the Nazis" in the same vein as the dinosaurs. Like there was some new race of people that walked the earth between 1933 and 1945 and then mysteriously disappeared.

greenmount 13.01.2017 14:41

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Originally Posted by Loz1983 (Post 2723018)
I also find it amusing sometimes when people refer to "the Nazis" in the same vein as the dinosaurs. Like there was some new race of people that walked the earth between 1933 and 1945 and then mysteriously disappeared.

I find this nazis reference amusing...probably trev shouldn't have posted anything.:rolleyes:

3Wishes 13.01.2017 15:02

Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation
 
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Originally Posted by Verbier (Post 2723013)
Here is the break-down of the +/- 25'000 that are concerned with the vote. The Italians are the vast majority.

http://files.newsnetz.ch/upload//1/0/108169.jpg

Details from 24heures (13.01.2017)

Ah but look - the Turks are second in line! Shock! Horror! :eek: SVP must react!

I haven't received my voting materials yet so I haven't had a chance to read the arguments from both sides. I am also not sure why this even needs a vote. If you're the third generation here, the naturalization process should be easy enough already - unless your family refuses to integrate or you're a criminal. :dunno:

marton 13.01.2017 15:06

Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation
 
I am hovering between "why not" and "if I vote no am I implicitly approving that horrible SVP poster".

On balance I think the SVP have pushed me towards yes :)

curley 13.01.2017 15:31

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2723039)
I am hovering between "why not" and "if I vote no am I implicitly approving that horrible SVP poster".

On balance I think the SVP have pushed me towards yes :)

I agree - once again they really didn't do themselves a favour with their "style".

Capo 13.01.2017 15:35

Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation
 
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Originally Posted by Dack Rambo (Post 2723003)
How about a ban on religion?

I'm with you on that ;)

Guest 13.01.2017 15:38

Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation
 
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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2723039)
I am hovering between "why not" and "if I vote no am I implicitly approving that horrible SVP poster".

On balance I think the SVP have pushed me towards yes :)

Let's hope many many more of us react this way- it would be nice to see their truly racist and untolerable poster campaign finally back fire on them.

Urs Max 13.01.2017 15:39

Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation
 
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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2723039)
[..]"if I vote no am I implicitly approving that horrible SVP poster".

So far that's the most convincing point for a Yes :msnblush:


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