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I find it far more dangerous that Muslims are the scapegoats to prevent guys called Luca to finally completely integrate after their parents were already born here.
Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so.

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Old 13.01.2017, 14:30
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Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so.

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Yeah, but most Italians living in your area in Ticino are probably somehow tied to Italy and might even speak the language properly...
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Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation

And that applied here too, to firstos and secondos- but not thirdos.
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Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation

Some just want to avoid the military service?
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Old 13.01.2017, 14:42
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Some just want to avoid the military service?
Why? "Italians make great soldier, but terrible officers" (Erwin Rommel)
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Old 13.01.2017, 14:47
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Strictly speaking you're right but at least 90% of the time the dictum works after investigation as well.
True, yet the 10% are worth the investigation.

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Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so.

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and therefore their EC membership.
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Old 13.01.2017, 14:57
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Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so.

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Yeah, but most Italians living in your area in Ticino are probably somehow tied to Italy and might even speak the language properly...
Same here in eastern CH.

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Some just want to avoid the military service?
Probably, though to a lesser extent I guess as some friends did serve in Italy. If memory serves Italy has mandatory military service as well but, again if memory serves, there were ways around it (not visiting the country during a certain age range?).
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When they will propose a ban on Islam in CH?
How about a ban on religion?
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Old 13.01.2017, 15:28
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Why? "Italians make great soldier, but terrible officers" (Erwin Rommel)

Officers of the German Wehrmacht carried out Nazi orders to exterminate Jews in concentration camps. I don't recall that any Italian officers participated in such an atrocity. There is a dangerous myth still around that it was "the Nazis" who carried out the Holocaust and that the German army somehow bears a lesser if any guilt.
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Old 13.01.2017, 15:31
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Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation

Here is the break-down of the +/- 25'000 that are concerned with the vote. The Italians are the vast majority.



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Most Italians I've known didn't want to become Swiss as they would lose their Italian citizenship by doing so.

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Italy allows double citizenship since 25 years or so, hence I have both passports. Most people I know, don't want to be Swiss because they would need to to military service.
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Why? "Italians make great soldier, but terrible officers" (Erwin Rommel)
I actually think it is the other way around.
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There is a dangerous myth still around that it was "the Nazis" who carried out the Holocaust and that the German army somehow bears a lesser if any guilt.
I also find it amusing sometimes when people refer to "the Nazis" in the same vein as the dinosaurs. Like there was some new race of people that walked the earth between 1933 and 1945 and then mysteriously disappeared.
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I also find it amusing sometimes when people refer to "the Nazis" in the same vein as the dinosaurs. Like there was some new race of people that walked the earth between 1933 and 1945 and then mysteriously disappeared.
I find this nazis reference amusing...probably trev shouldn't have posted anything.
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Old 13.01.2017, 16:02
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Here is the break-down of the +/- 25'000 that are concerned with the vote. The Italians are the vast majority.



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Ah but look - the Turks are second in line! Shock! Horror! SVP must react!

I haven't received my voting materials yet so I haven't had a chance to read the arguments from both sides. I am also not sure why this even needs a vote. If you're the third generation here, the naturalization process should be easy enough already - unless your family refuses to integrate or you're a criminal.
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Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation

I am hovering between "why not" and "if I vote no am I implicitly approving that horrible SVP poster".

On balance I think the SVP have pushed me towards yes
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I am hovering between "why not" and "if I vote no am I implicitly approving that horrible SVP poster".

On balance I think the SVP have pushed me towards yes
I agree - once again they really didn't do themselves a favour with their "style".
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How about a ban on religion?
I'm with you on that
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I am hovering between "why not" and "if I vote no am I implicitly approving that horrible SVP poster".

On balance I think the SVP have pushed me towards yes
Let's hope many many more of us react this way- it would be nice to see their truly racist and untolerable poster campaign finally back fire on them.
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[..]"if I vote no am I implicitly approving that horrible SVP poster".
So far that's the most convincing point for a Yes
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