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As part of the naturalisation? You're kidding, right?
If not, what's the reason given?
I'm absolutely not kidding. Later the same day some of our neighbours came around asking if we'd been burgled.
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As part of the naturalisation? You're kidding, right?
If not, what's the reason given?
They do it to make sure that a marriage is genuine in cases of facilitated naturalisation. By popping round unannounced at strange times they can see if the couple are really living together as man and wife.
Another thing they do is ask to use the bathroom. They can then look for things like men and women's toiletries, two toothbrushes, two towels etc. In there.
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Dear Swiss Friends,
I'm writing this post because it frightens me to see, how many of you are so naive when it comes to foreigners coming to your country or the ones that have very, very loose connection to Switzerland. The third generation immigrant may seem to you someone who deserves to get your passport. Nowadays it may be true. For example you still have lots of Italian descendants. They may value your nationality. They may respect your culture and traditions. But unfortunately for you, third generation immigrants in the future are going to be completely different. I know that some of you will call me a racist after what I'm going to tell you. But nevertheless, I can see what's happening in other european countries and I really hope that you will avoid what they're experiencing now. Many of your future third immigrants are going to be people from totally diffrent culture. Culture that is based on their religion, so called religion of peace. They will never integrate with your socjety, they will never respect you or your culture. That's because their religion forbids it. You have many examples of that, beginning with children's swimming lessons. You have fathers who forbid their daughters to swim with other children. Unfortunately for you, some of those fathers were born in Switzerland, they attended your schools and yet they behave in such way. They break the law because of their religion. And that's a very simple example of that. There are many more.
I think that you're actual citizenship system is good enough. If third generation immigrants want to have your citizenship, they should take part in normal procedure. You need to be sure they really deserve your citizenship. The fact that someone was born in your country and his parents or grandparents just happened to spend not such a long time in Switzerland, doesn't make them proper candidates. If you vote for this change, candidates will not be so properly checked. You will be getting a complete stranger. In the future a complete muslim stranger.
I used to be really tolerant, had nothing against foreign cultures or religion. But look around. Your country may seem quite safe now but you may change that. I happen to have many friends in France, Germany, Sweden. They are terrified. And if you decide to ease getting your citizenship, then in the next 50 years you're going to have many Muslim 'citizens", who don't work, who don't respect you, who hate your culture. Do not change into another lost European country. I know you have a very long humanitarian history. I admire that. But as a last thought- you have 20 000 Erythreans in your country. So called refugees or asylum seekers. Just a few days ago it was proved that they use YOUR money to go on vacation to their country. Country that according to what they said was so dangerous. They are lying to you. They are using you. Some of them will stay in your country forever. If you change your citizenship law, their grandchildren will be able to get your passport. And unfortunately for you, just like their grandparents they'll be using you, living off your welfare system. I'm telling you this because that's what's happening in other european countries in the next generations of immigrants.
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Dear Swiss Friends,
I'm writing this post because it frightens me to see, how many of you are so naive when it comes to foreigners coming to your country or the ones that have very, very loose connection to Switzerland. The third generation immigrant may seem to you someone who deserves to get your passport. Nowadays it may be true. For example you still have lots of Italian descendants. They may value your nationality. They may respect your culture and traditions. But unfortunately for you, third generation immigrants in the future are going to be completely different. I know that some of you will call me a racist after what I'm going to tell you. But nevertheless, I can see what's happening in other european countries and I really hope that you will avoid what they're experiencing now. Many of your future third immigrants are going to be people from totally diffrent culture. Culture that is based on their religion, so called religion of peace. They will never integrate with your socjety, they will never respect you or your culture. That's because their religion forbids it. You have many examples of that, beginning with children's swimming lessons. You have fathers who forbid their daughters to swim with other children. Unfortunately for you, some of those fathers were born in Switzerland, they attended your schools and yet they behave in such way. They break the law because of their religion. And that's a very simple example of that. There are many more.
I think that you're actual citizenship system is good enough. If third generation immigrants want to have your citizenship, they should take part in normal procedure. You need to be sure they really deserve your citizenship. The fact that someone was born in your country and his parents or grandparents just happened to spend not such a long time in Switzerland, doesn't make them proper candidates. If you vote for this change, candidates will not be so properly checked. You will be getting a complete stranger. In the future a complete muslim stranger.
I used to be really tolerant, had nothing against foreign cultures or religion. But look around. Your country may seem quite safe now but you may change that. I happen to have many friends in France, Germany, Sweden. They are terrified. And if you decide to ease getting your citizenship, then in the next 50 years you're going to have many Muslim 'citizens", who don't work, who don't respect you, who hate your culture. Do not change into another lost European country. I know you have a very long humanitarian history. I admire that. But as a last thought- you have 20 000 Erythreans in your country. So called refugees or asylum seekers. Just a few days ago it was proved that they use YOUR money to go on vacation to their country. Country that according to what they said was so dangerous. They are lying to you. They are using you. Some of them will stay in your country forever. If you change your citizenship law, their grandchildren will be able to get your passport. And unfortunately for you, just like their grandparents they'll be using you, living off your welfare system. I'm telling you this because that's what's happening in other european countries in the next generations of immigrants.
And you're writing this from Poland?
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But as a last thought- you have 20 000 Erythreans in your country. So called refugees or asylum seekers. Just a few days ago it was proved that they use YOUR money to go on vacation to their country. Country that according to what they said was so dangerous. They are lying to you. They are using you. Some of them will stay in your country forever.
Do you have a source for that information ?? Of course many are aware of the tremendous abuse of the asylum system - except those who do not wish to see.
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Dear Swiss Friends,
I'm writing this post because it frightens me to see, how many of you are so naive when it comes to foreigners coming to your country or the ones that have very, very loose connection to Switzerland. The third generation immigrant may seem to you someone who deserves to get your passport. Nowadays it may be true. For example you still have lots of Italian descendants. They may value your nationality. They may respect your culture and traditions. But unfortunately for you, third generation immigrants in the future are going to be completely different. I know that some of you will call me a racist after what I'm going to tell you. But nevertheless, I can see what's happening in other european countries and I really hope that you will avoid what they're experiencing now. Many of your future third immigrants are going to be people from totally diffrent culture. Culture that is based on their religion, so called religion of peace. They will never integrate with your socjety, they will never respect you or your culture. That's because their religion forbids it. You have many examples of that, beginning with children's swimming lessons. You have fathers who forbid their daughters to swim with other children. Unfortunately for you, some of those fathers were born in Switzerland, they attended your schools and yet they behave in such way. They break the law because of their religion. And that's a very simple example of that. There are many more.
I think that you're actual citizenship system is good enough. If third generation immigrants want to have your citizenship, they should take part in normal procedure. You need to be sure they really deserve your citizenship. The fact that someone was born in your country and his parents or grandparents just happened to spend not such a long time in Switzerland, doesn't make them proper candidates. If you vote for this change, candidates will not be so properly checked. You will be getting a complete stranger. In the future a complete muslim stranger.
I used to be really tolerant, had nothing against foreign cultures or religion. But look around. Your country may seem quite safe now but you may change that. I happen to have many friends in France, Germany, Sweden. They are terrified. And if you decide to ease getting your citizenship, then in the next 50 years you're going to have many Muslim 'citizens", who don't work, who don't respect you, who hate your culture. Do not change into another lost European country. I know you have a very long humanitarian history. I admire that. But as a last thought- you have 20 000 Erythreans in your country. So called refugees or asylum seekers. Just a few days ago it was proved that they use YOUR money to go on vacation to their country. Country that according to what they said was so dangerous. They are lying to you. They are using you. Some of them will stay in your country forever. If you change your citizenship law, their grandchildren will be able to get your passport. And unfortunately for you, just like their grandparents they'll be using you, living off your welfare system. I'm telling you this because that's what's happening in other european countries in the next generations of immigrants.
20,000 Erythreans are using MY money to go on vacation??!?!? GODDAMMIT I'VE HAD IT.
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Do you have a source for that information ?? Of course many are aware of the tremendous abuse of the asylum system - except those who do not wish to see.
This chart shows 20'000 + since 2011





Sorry for the very large charts. Not sure how to make them smaller.

Source: http://asile.ch/statistiques/suisse/#lightbox/13/
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I'm not seeing the pie chart showing how they're all going on vacation using MY money.
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Dear Swiss Friends,
I'm writing this post because it frightens me to see, how many of you are so naive when it comes to foreigners coming to your country .........
What you don't seem to know is that already the second generation - having gone to school here - gets easy access to a Swiss passport. Most of the second generation are very adapted to the Swiss way of life and the cultural problems are not between them and the Swiss but between them and their parents. I have accompagned many teen-agers, mediating within the families. It took a lot of time, patience and understanding but it was most often successful. This was not about passports but about families not breaking apart completely.

As to the vote about the third generation getting citizenship easier - while at the beginning it was a no-brainer to me I now tend to think that this is unnecessary. They will already have the advantages the second generation has and that should be good enough actually.
Well, I still got time to decide ....
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http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...day-homelands/
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Breitbart is fake news around here. It needs to have a liberal bias like The Guardian or the BBC.

Here is an article from swissinfo.ch (from last year) which details the same issue.
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Re: Vote on allowing easier citizenship for third generation

This breitbart link claims the Basler Zeitung states up to 50 Eritreans per day take holidays at home

According to this article in the Basler Zeiting there was only a total of 6 Eritreans who ever took holidays at home

Please explain the difference between these numbers?
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I guess demonizing brown people is easier than reading.

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“They are above all people who fled before independence in 1991 and therefore weren’t victims of persecution by the regime of President Isaias Afwerki,” she told swissinfo.ch....

Sommaruga said that “in most cases it wasn’t a question of asylum seekers or refugees [returning to Eritrea] but of Eritrean citizens who had arrived in Switzerland years ago, some of whom had become naturalised [Swiss citizens].”
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I bet that picture was misused and the boys should actually press charges as none of them has most likely been home since their arrival.
I'm surprised about Eritrean-asylum seekers being accused of that, specially as it's said they are flying. How would they get back into Europe on an airplane? With the N-Ausweis? LOL.
I believe much more (as in the report of kriss kross) that it is C-holders and naturalized people.

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Here is an article from swissinfo.ch (from last year) which details the same issue.
<<someone who is recognised in Switzerland as a refugee does not need authorisation to leave the country>> that is a funny bit as even a N-holder (asylum-seeker) does not need authorisation to leave the country. As we all know they're welcome to leave anytime

In general it is a fact that some asylum-seekers actually do go home yet they come from closer - easier accessible - countries than Eritrea. This is scandalous indeed. But again: In a constitutional state each has to be cought doing it.

As to "using our social money" for it. One thing is clear: Once the money is payed out it's up to the person, what s/he uses it for. This reminds me of the "leather jackets"-outcry of the Tamiles years ago. Some smoke, some like clothes, some send money home ...... and some seem to travel
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I guess demonizing brown people is easier than reading.
I find it amazing that Sommaruga can assert that ''in most cases it wasn’t a question of asylum seekers or refugees'' straight after she admitted that ''the State Secretariat for Migration does not have exact figures on this issue, since someone who is recognised in Switzerland as a refugee does not need authorisation to leave the country''

Seems contradictory. But I guess throwing a racist label is easier than thinking critically.

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I'm surprised about Eritrean-asylum seekers being accused of that, specially as it's said they are flying. How would they get back into Europe on an airplane? With the N-Ausweis? LOL.
Sometimes they smuggle themselves in suitcases!
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What's your point?


You aren't European either, and according to your own words you've been planning to be a public burden, too.


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(not that I would care. However, somebody who asks for public and forum help and then behaves like this, should be immediately thrown out of the country)
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I find it amazing that Sommaruga can assert that ''in most cases it wasn’t a question of asylum seekers or refugees'' straight after she admitted that ''the State Secretariat for Migration does not have exact figures on this issue, since someone who is recognised in Switzerland as a refugee does not need authorisation to leave the country''

Seems contradictory. But I guess throwing a racist label is easier than thinking critically.



Sometimes they smuggle themselves in suitcases!
"Sometimes they smuggle themselves in suitcases" Just so long as they can get under the 20Kg flight weight limit
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This breitbart link claims the Basler Zeitung states up to 50 Eritreans per day take holidays at home

According to this article in the Basler Zeiting there was only a total of 6 Eritreans who ever took holidays at home

Please explain the difference between these numbers?
In the Breitbart article they actually linked it to this article from the Basler Zeitung, where it does in fact state that 50 Eritreans are flying daily to neighbouring countries of Eritrea (as there are no direct flights)

Why would you link a completely different article and then build a strawman argument? Seems rather unscrupulous of you.
You really gotta stop peddling that fake news marton

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"Sometimes they smuggle themselves in suitcases" Just so long as they can get under the 20Kg flight weight limit
Try reading the article. He was found on a train
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