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marton 12.01.2017 01:19

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Guess which political party has produced these posters
They say stop citizenship for criminals and I guess the burka poster is self explanatory.
Quite why one says "yes" and the other "no" is beyond me!

PaddyG 12.01.2017 08:53

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Whats a Bedouin warrior go to do with 3rd generation naturalisation?

Guest 12.01.2017 09:04

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Everyone up the slopes in a blizzard looks like that already.

st2lemans 12.01.2017 09:12

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2722003)
They say stop citizenship for criminals

No, only the first one does. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2722003)
why one says "yes" and the other "no" is beyond me!

Because they are about two separate votes, only the second one refers to the upcomming vote. ;)

Tom

aSwissInTheUS 12.01.2017 09:35

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Originally Posted by marton (Post 2722003)
Guess which political party has produced these posters
They say stop citizenship for criminals and I guess the burka poster is self explanatory.
Quite why one says "yes" and the other "no" is beyond me!

Welcome to a country which has more than one popular vote than just one every 50 years. Hey, we have even multiple in a single year.

The first poster is from a Canton Bern vote from 2013, initiated by the Young-SVP Bern, which passed with 56% yes.
http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/bern/story/13617166

mirfield 12.01.2017 11:34

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Did the ninja dude just bend a crowbar over his head? That's gnarly.






See. I can keep up with the kids.

Samaire13 12.01.2017 12:00

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No brainer re the third generation - yes.

st2lemans 12.01.2017 12:03

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No brainer re the third generation - yes.

Only if they don't wear burkas! :eek:

Tom

Guest 12.01.2017 12:07

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Tom, as you well know, there are 100s Burkas on SVP posters than in Switzerland. This is a totally shameful Poster campaign- perhaps the worst ever by the SVP/UDC :msnsick:

And yes, it has nothing to do with the subject - at all- nought, zilch, nada, zéro...

Communes/Gemeinde will be able to influence and even refuse if they have good reasons to do so. All we are talking about here is facilitated naturalisation for those whose parents and grand-parents were born here.

Makes me feel sick and ashamed.

Samaire13 12.01.2017 12:09

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Originally Posted by st2lemans (Post 2722175)
Only if they don't wear burkas! :eek:

Tom

I have yet to see one anywhere around here, so I say it's a negligible "risk" :p

Aside from that I just shrug at the SVP's posters. That is not worth getting upset over. They want to provoke, it always works, on both ends. They're not worth my energy :)

The initiative doesn't say every third-generation foreigner will get automatic citizenship. Just says it's easier to get it and really, that's only fair. Chances that someone whose parents and grandparents have already lived here is not integrated at all are really pretty close to zero. The odd exception may apply.

Urs Max 12.01.2017 14:30

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Originally Posted by Samaire13 (Post 2722180)
The initiative doesn't say every third-generation foreigner will get automatic citizenship. Just says it's easier to get it and really, that's only fair. Chances that someone whose parents and grandparents have already lived here is not integrated at all are really pretty close to zero. The odd exception may apply.

Why is it particularly desirable for a terzo to get naturalized?

curley 12.01.2017 15:02

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Originally Posted by Samaire13 (Post 2722180)
I have yet to see one anywhere around here, so I say it's a negligible "risk" :p

I've seen a few. The only time it makes me nervous when it's a woman driving a car ... in my direction.
I saw one in Winterthur, the material was obviously first class and I had to admit, she even looked beautiful :eek: Well, the burka did, obviously as I saw nothing of her.

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Originally Posted by Samaire13 (Post 2722180)
Aside from that I just shrug at the SVP's posters. That is not worth getting upset over. They want to provoke, it always works, on both ends. They're not worth my energy :)

I drove past one yesterday and I admit, I laughed out loud. How much more simple/stupid will they get?! Not even the dumbest voter is still impressed with their campaigns, they've turned into a joke now. Imo.

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Originally Posted by Urs Max (Post 2722303)
Why is it particularly desirable for a terzo to get naturalized?

A terzo probably has nobody left "at home", no connections anymore to her/his original country. In fact his/her original country indeed is Switzerland.

fatmanfilms 12.01.2017 15:24

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- perhaps the worst ever by the SVP/UDC :msnsick:

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I found the AUSLANDER RAUS campaign more offensive.

Urs Max 12.01.2017 16:09

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A terzo probably has nobody left "at home", no connections anymore to her/his original country. In fact his/her original country indeed is Switzerland.

A reasonable assumption. But if it had any influence at all it should increase the terzo's motivation and obviate a potential need to lower the bars.

Guest 12.01.2017 16:16

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I don't understand how you could vote against this. If you can't obtain a passport as a third generation immigrant than what chance do you have?

sam ali 12.01.2017 16:39

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http://wat.is/U0PwLBAA6UNWoUyC

A good read.

Urs Max 12.01.2017 16:44

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Originally Posted by Loz1983 (Post 2722412)
I don't understand how you could vote against this. If you can't obtain a passport as a third generation immigrant than what chance do you have?

I have no opinion yet. I just don't see a reason to be for the proposition.

kriss kross 12.01.2017 16:59

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Originally Posted by Loz1983 (Post 2722412)
I don't understand how you could vote against this. If you can't obtain a passport as a third generation immigrant than what chance do you have?

If you're a third generation immigrant who is unable to obtain a passport you should probably be asking your parents and grandparents why they still haven't bothered to integrate enough to be eligible for citizenship!

DanLF 12.01.2017 20:25

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If it wasn't for the SVP, I may not have felt the need to apply for facilitated naturalisation last April. So thanks SVP :)

As a new Swiss citizen I'm again thankful that the SVP will make my first voting choice such an easy one :D

Capo 12.01.2017 20:50

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When they will propose a ban on Islam in CH?


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