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Old 06.05.2017, 00:40
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PRESS Freedom! In my book also includes , not printing every little crap
I agree.
I remember in England the evening news were always about crimes. Never anything political really. I thought that was strange as a) I wasn't really interested in the gory details of such events and b) I always had to update myself on politics after I got back here.

Maybe it is a Swiss thing to not poke the nose into private affairs and feeling privacy starts basically where mine ends. Just like we leave our celebrities alone. Once I was shopping in Ikea and two well liked celebrities were there doing the same. Nobody gave them a second glance. It's kind of given here, that they too have a private life. So even the autographs are only demanded of them when they're on the job
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Old 06.05.2017, 11:40
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Re: Press freedom in Switzerland?

Instead of groaning everyone which writes on this thread you could do some action on yourself.

- As someone suggested ask the police directly what is/was going on.
Here the office phone number of the Kapo Zurich
http://www.kapo.zh.ch/internet/siche...e/kontakt.html

-"The Press" cannot report about something which they are not aware off.
There are at least four distinct different news papers which cover your area:
https://www.limmattalerzeitung.ch
http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch
http://www.blick.ch
https://www.nzz.ch

Two smalish TV channels:
http://telez.ch
http://www.telezueri.ch

Ask them why the police did nor release a statement:
http://www.kapo.zh.ch/internet/siche...teilungen.html

But in the end this is not the US, where a talking head "reporter" is standing "at the scene" and commenting the obvious for hours and hours.

If that all does not help you can still contact Mr. Köppel and its Weltwoche. They sure will take it up and report about the Dietikon-Schlieren-Chopper-Incident-Cover-Up in multiple issues.

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more because swiss are simple minded and the villages are small so gossip news travels fast. But seriously swiss generally have no idea of what is going on in the world they live in their own reality.
Emm yeahh. With Schlieren and Dietikon? Two towns with a higher than average foreign population? What comes out of the tab in this town is properly the better question to be asked. Kool-Aid?

PS: Groaning does not mean, "I object or disagree" it means more the like "Your comment made me puke, bastard." and is regarded as offensive.
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Old 06.05.2017, 13:41
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But in the end this is not the US, where a talking head "reporter" is standing "at the scene" and commenting the obvious for hours and hours.
Exactly! I remember the night of the attempted overthorw in Turkey; All these US channels kept showing the same pictures and - worse - babbling about what/how/who/why it could be. I don't remember which channel I found which actually just gave the facts known at the time. And it was one of the few things that kept me up all night.

I guess lots of Swiss are like me: I just want the infos. I will make up my own mind about them, thank you very much.
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Once again aSwissintheUS has given OP all the tools to satisfy his/her curiosity.

What crossed my mind reading that detailed post is that we may not have every occurrence reported in the news/shoved down our throats here but we do have access to find out about it, if we feel we need/want to.
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PS: Groaning does not mean, "I object or disagree" it means more the like "Your comment made me puke, bastard." and is regarded as offensive.
Oh, thanks for clarifying that.
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PRESS Freedom! In my book also includes , not printing every little crap
Having a police helicopter circle over your street for 1 hour in the dark with lights and sensors is news. But I don't expect "you" to understand that.
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Old 06.05.2017, 14:37
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PS: Groaning does not mean, "I object or disagree".
Yes, it does.

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Old 06.05.2017, 14:51
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Re: Press freedom in Switzerland?

If you really feel a need to keep track:

https://www.stadt-zuerich.ch/pd/de/i...teilungen.html

Or this:

http://www.kapo.zh.ch/internet/siche...e/aktuell.html


This has nothing to do with "Press Freedom".
Easy to see were you might come from as a home country currently.
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Especially for you. Take your pick.
I will refrain from commenting on that, in case it impacts any current EF members
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Having a police helicopter circle over your street for 1 hour in the dark with lights and sensors is news. But I don't expect "you" to understand that.
I live near the Uni Spital helicopter landing hub, and don't even consider who might be needing urgent treatment, or which transplant organ is being delivered.
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Old 06.05.2017, 15:48
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I live near the Uni Spital helicopter landing hub, and don't even consider who might be needing urgent treatment, or which transplant organ is being delivered.
You're just a self-centered, uncaring person, you are!

I used to live next to Kinderspital Zurich, they never informed me about the details why they woke me up neither. Not even the pilot who used to have coffee on our terrace in between flights. Now that it's mentioned that was way out of line!

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It has been my experience that if you ask the police what happened after an unreported crime in your neighbourhood (explosions) they say they can't comment on it.
What did you want? Name of criminal so you can send him parcels to jail? Age, hight, measures maybe so you could marry him to make his time in there nicer?
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Old 06.05.2017, 19:17
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Having a police helicopter circle over your street for 1 hour in the dark with lights and sensors is news. But I don't expect "you" to understand that.
Good for you! I do not own a street. I don't have that problem
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Old 06.05.2017, 19:37
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The press, which is held by just 2 or 3 publishing groups, is totally sold to special interests and govt. It's not that the press isn't free in the sense it's run by the govt like in a 3d world country but it doesn't report on many things . Probably it's also a peer pressure issue among Swiss society, it's never good to criticize too harshly or make waves, you don't get anywhere in life if you do that, the Swiss suppress critical reporting, and if you want any confirmation of that just research on the fate of whistle blowers in Switzerland .

Some things don't get reported, this what I always heard from folks ("things happen, crime etc. that don't get reported") and over the years I found there is some truth to that. I experienced it in my own neighborhood. I have also always wondered about press reports about the discovery of a body and then the case disappears from news reports, or the cause of death is ruled "natural". The government hates to talk about anything negative (politicians usually get quite angry when they come under criticism) and the Swiss press just doesn't like to write about negative things that may impact people's feeling of security, the economy or God forbid the country's reputation. In fact just pay attention to your news headlines ; it's mostly : "Switzerland is # 1 for this or that", "Swiss (thing) increasingly popular among... ", "Govt seeing improvement in ..."
By contrast look at the British tabloid press ! Swiss press ... so predictable, UK press ... so much fun ! There is almost never any scandal in Switzerland, why ? Because it's all covered up ! I for one can definitely say that I heard about various kinds of coverups from people in the know, and I saw at least one myself.

When reporting on the police, they may appear to be critical for instance when highlighting one particular incident (usually minor, such as cop gave a slap on the face of suspect and he gets sentenced) , but in reality they never touch upon the serious issues plaguing Swiss police. Sometime they even issue false reports to help the police (there was well known case in Vaud a couple years ago). Swiss police commit all sorts of abuses (although those rarely lead to someone's death) that go unreported and of course unpunished, it happens of course against the weakest among the population, people the press never talks about, the poorest, immigrants, people with mental issues. Swiss police officers are prone to abusing their powers, you may have experienced it yourself . From time to time, the press will make a critical article, the authorities will launch an "independent investigation" to make a good impression, and of course, the probe will find no wrongdoing. Then like with many other questionable things there, everything goes back to business as usual, and they will say "look we have such tough standards among the police, we have some of the best practices in the whole world !". Quite a few people in Switzerland told me "you can't do anything against the police, they'll do whatever they want" and that always amazed me.
"Some things don't get reported," Well let us be practical here! There are around a hundred thousand adults convicted each year in Switzerland. If they only committed one crime each then that is over 250 per day.
You would need a newspaper the size of a telephone book to print details of all of them.
If in addition you printed a news story every time the police went out looking for someone then you would need several telephone books
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You would need a newspaper the size of a telephone book to print details of all of them.
If in addition you printed a news story every time the police went out looking for someone then you would need several telephone books
What's a telephone book?
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last night the police helicopter was flying over my village for a hour but nothing in the news.

I am assuming it has something to do with the major crimes from the last few days but why isn't anything in the news?
I've been away. What major crimes asre you refering to please? Just had a look around Google and can't find anything.
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I've been away. What major crimes asre you refering to please? Just had a look around Google and can't find anything.
Well of course you can't find anything, there's no press freedom in Switzerland!
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Old 06.05.2017, 21:41
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What's a telephone book?
It's a fat novel with lots and lots of characters and no storyline. Which is probably why people stopped reading them.

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I've been away. What major crimes asre you refering to please? Just had a look around Google and can't find anything.
That is exactly OP's point!
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Re: Press freedom in Switzerland?

Actual ranking for 2017 is out if you interested:

https://www.reporter-ohne-grenzen.de...ne_Grenzen.pdf


1. Norway

7. Switzerland

22. Canada

40. GB

43. USA


180. Nord Korea
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these reports and rank lists are always interesting to look at but should be viewed with skepticism and always consider who wrote it and for what interest. kind of like the WEF ranking switzerland no 1 economy every year...

additionally I know that many places have laws that give the public access to government information contract meetings transcripts and so on... I am sure switzerland does not grant the public such access to government information.
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Actual ranking for 2017 is out if you interested:

https://www.reporter-ohne-grenzen.de...ne_Grenzen.pdf
They already know in May for all of 2017?
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additionally I know that many places have laws that give the public access to government information contract meetings transcripts and so on... I am sure switzerland does not grant the public such access to government information.
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