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Old 12.05.2017, 19:45
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On the topic, president Trump just tweeted that he wants to cancel the daily press briefings and the news orgs are flipping out. Today press briefing will start soon and will cover this topic

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Old 15.05.2017, 11:01
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In fact, the Swiss govt for a long time spied on them ( keeping records of even ridiculous details of people's life) , and still does.
"In fact" as in you have facts proving you're right or "in fact" as in "I have no clue what I am talking about, but "in fact" makes me sound knowledgeable"
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Old 15.05.2017, 13:59
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It is fact that swiss authorities police included can, will and do search peoples private business as they wish.

did you know that with a auto plate number you can get a lot of info about someone for free online? or you can simply call the police department and give a plate number and the police will give you full details including their insurance policy number? privacy?
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Old 15.05.2017, 14:04
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It is fact that swiss authorities police included can, will and do search peoples private business as they wish.

did you know that with a auto plate number you can get a lot of info about someone for free online? or you can simply call the police department and give a plate number and the police will give you full details including their insurance policy number? privacy?


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Switzerland has always been a police state but now also in your virtual life on the web.
Logic definitely isn't your forte. If that were true the Fichenaffäre wouldn't have turned into the Fichenskandal in the first place.
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Old 15.05.2017, 18:07
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Like when you look for tech support for Microsoft or Apple on google. You think you're going to get the info in English, click on the link then BAM! "Ah, you're in Switzerland! We're going to make you read it all in German with no way of changing the language, and we don't care if you want to read the text in the original language, or - for that matter - in one of the other languages of Switzerland because we are thick, arrogant bastards and everybody in Switzerland obviously wants everything in German all the time regardless of context or location."

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Old 15.05.2017, 19:06
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Everybody knows about that. Also there have been news stories of policemen with secret surveillance in their basement storage...

Everybody knows that you have zero privacy in switzerland. Its like north korea: secretive to the outside but no secrets inside from the government and state security uncles and housefraus that know and see everything...

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Looks like you could use a history book, but maybe good history books are hard to find at local bookstores ... RTS did a long documentary on the "fiches", the secret files the various Swiss police dept maintained on regular people. It may be surprising that the state TV gave so much coverage of the scandal but it's probably because it happened a long time ago and really affected many people across the Swiss population sparking a nationwide outrage. The police and the govt did everything to cover up the practice then played down the findings published in the press. Cops were like : "please we don't need any fuss about those files, there is nothing to talk about " lol and they refused to comment on the matter. Eventually the big coverup collapsed. The Govt had to acknowledge the spying. Worst of all the secret files were shared with corporations, so people with undesired political opinions and activities could be socially eliminated .

Today, Swiss police continue to keep records on the population, including
the most insignificant incidents they were called for. For the police, your right to privacy does not exist. So human right abuses continue although not in such an egregious way. Finally, recently the Swiss parliament voted a new law that allows blanket eavesdropping of the internet. Switzerland has always been a police state but now also in your virtual life on the web.
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Old 15.05.2017, 19:19
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"In fact" as in you have facts proving you're right or "in fact" as in "I have no clue what I am talking about, but "in fact" makes me sound knowledgeable"
"Fichenaffair" was a fact.

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Tztztztztz roegner, ever heard about the privacy law?

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Looks like you could use a history book, but maybe good history books are hard to find at local bookstores ... RTS did a long documentary on the "fiches", the secret files the various Swiss police dept maintained on regular people. It may be surprising that the state TV gave so much coverage of the scandal but it's probably because it happened a long time ago and really affected many people across the Swiss population sparking a nationwide outrage. The police and the govt did everything to cover up the practice then played down the findings published in the press. Cops were like : "please we don't need any fuss about those files, there is nothing to talk about " lol and they refused to comment on the matter. Eventually the big coverup collapsed. The Govt had to acknowledge the spying. Worst of all the secret files were shared with corporations, so people with undesired political opinions and activities could be socially eliminated .

Today, Swiss police continue to keep records on the population, including
the most insignificant incidents they were called for. For the police, your right to privacy does not exist. So human right abuses continue although not in such an egregious way. Finally, recently the Swiss parliament voted a new law that allows blanket eavesdropping of the internet. Switzerland has always been a police state but now also in your virtual life on the web.
Had it been a normal thing it had not turned into a scandal.
Also we were able to demand the file they had on us if they had one. Okay, some of the stuff was blacked-out, if it concerned a third person or an snitch .... after all they had to start following the rules again, that was a very convenient point to do so
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The police has requested to have their helicopter blocked on the radar websites. Therefore the public and amateur pilots cannot see it anymore.
Too much secrecy...


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last night the police helicopter was flying over my village for a hour but nothing in the news.

I am assuming it has something to do with the major crimes from the last few days but why isn't anything in the news? Is it normal for people to stay calm nothing unusual about a police helicopter flying low over your village in the night for an hour with lights and sensors

http://www.polizeiticker.ch/news/art...outerie-98805/

http://www.polizeiticker.ch/news/art...raeuber-98705/

http://www.polizeiticker.ch/news/art...naufruf-98643/
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Old 07.09.2017, 10:10
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The police has requested to have their helicopter blocked on the radar websites. Therefore the public and amateur pilots cannot see it anymore.
Too much secrecy...
And the reason why you would need to know where the police helicopter is going is...?
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because its my safety and my money and I care to know. Whats all the secrecy about? Especially in Switzerland where its a safe heaven on earth..

By the way they can choose to go dark and hidden at any time when needed. But they chose to be unlisted and fly around hidden like they are the secret service... but they are a local police...
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Old 07.09.2017, 10:20
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The police has requested to have their helicopter blocked on the radar websites. Therefore the public and amateur pilots cannot see it anymore.
Too much secrecy...
Evidence, or is this just the usual made up nonsense?

And you do realise that you are linking to a public news source that specialises in information about the police, as evidence about the police supressing information?

Have you tried going down there and asking them - it is after all a free country and I don't think they've started camoflaging the police stations just yet.

At least we'd have a positive outcome.

- you find out the facts and shut up on EF
- you get locked up and shut up on EF
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Edzoom, in order to treat your need to know everything that goes on around you, may I recommend you start your own Neighbourhood Watch scheme...this should feed your need to twitch those curtains all the time...
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The police has requested to have their helicopter blocked on the radar websites.
Have you got ears?

Helicopters are hardly stealth aircraft.
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Edzoom, in order to treat your need to know everything that goes on around you, may I recommend you start your own Neighbourhood Watch scheme...this should feed your need to twitch those curtains all the time...
Noooooo - we'll get every single movement posted on EF
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because its my safety and my money and I care to know. Whats all the secrecy about? Especially in Switzerland where its a safe heaven on earth..

By the way they can choose to go dark and hidden at any time when needed. But they chose to be unlisted and fly around hidden like they are the secret service... but they are a local police...
Do you need to track every police patrol car, every police motorbike, and every bobby on those police mountain bikes, too?

It's not "secrecy" it's "security" and in order to do their job it's a bit pointless if they tell everyone where they are all the time.

If you are worried about your safety, it's not the police's whereabouts you need to worry about, is it?
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Actually you should care about where police activity is happening. If you stay away from areas with police activity you are going to be safe. No to mention that police have guns and machine guns and you definitely down want to be in an area where there a police operation.

Most importantly its about transparency. It is very unusual to have police hiding around, sneaking around, and flying in stealth mode...
especially in switzerland where we pride our self with transparency.
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flying in stealth mode...
... in a helicopter?

Do you know what a helicopter is, edzoom?
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Actually you should care about where police activity is happening. If you stay away from areas with police activity you are going to be safe. No to mention that police have guns and machine guns and you definitely down want to be in an area where there a police operation.

Most importantly its about transparency. It is very unusual to have police hiding around, sneaking around, and flying in stealth mode...
especially in switzerland where we pride our self with transparency.
Is there anywhere in the world that actually publicises where the police will be active at any given time in order that a) law-abiding people can flee the area to save their sensibilities, b) rubber-neckers can get down there sharpish with their camera and c) so the criminal(s) can bugger off scot free?
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Helicopters are hardly stealth aircraft.
Exactly, so what do you do when you hear a helicopter circling over you nonstop and you have no means to check what that is, especially if its dark.
Too much secrecy for a civilian peacekeeping force!
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