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Old 07.09.2017, 11:44
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this is not about publicizing what will be going on tomorrow this is about visible police right this moment because visibility increases safety! In many places police patrol around with the light on top of the vehicle constantly on low power to increase visibility and preventive power of their presence.

this is about police hiding around and increasingly acting like the secret services that are tasked with foreign spying. Now domestic police are acting like spies while operating over the motherland...


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Is there anywhere in the world that actually publicises where the police will be active at any given time in order that a) law-abiding people can flee the area to save their sensibilities, b) rubber-neckers can get down there sharpish with their camera and c) so the criminal(s) can bugger off scot free?
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Old 07.09.2017, 11:46
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Exactly, so what do you do when you hear a helicopter circling over you nonstop and you have no means to check what that is, especially if its dark.
Too much secrecy for a civilian peacekeeping force!
Where I live, there are almost always helicopters circling round or flying up the valley.

If I'm at a loose end, I might glance up to see if they're transporting a cow or something, but otherwise I just ignore them.

What's the big deal? Why do you need to know? Are you afraid that they're coming to get you?
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Old 07.09.2017, 11:50
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this is not about publicizing what will be going on tomorrow this is about visible police right this moment because visibility increases safety! In many places police patrol around with the light on top of the vehicle constantly on low power to increase visibility and preventive power of their presence.

this is about police hiding around and increasingly acting like the secret services that are tasked with foreign spying. Now domestic police are acting like spies while operating over the motherland...
Do the police do this where you are originally from? I'm just wondering why you are placing disproportionate expectations on the police in Switzerland.
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Old 07.09.2017, 12:00
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Do the police do this where you are originally from? I'm just wondering why you are placing disproportionate expectations on the police in Switzerland.
I have a friend from East Germany who was repeatedly hassled by the Stasi there. He was even imprisoned for two years and arrested and questioned several times after his release, and his house was repeatedly ransacked by police looking for evidence (they never told him evidence of what). All he had done wrong was speak his mind publically and associate with people who did the same.

After having gone through that he is extremely wary of any police. I once had to restrain him to keep him from punching a policemen for putting a harmless question in a rather insensitive way.
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Actually you should care about where police activity is happening. If you stay away from areas with police activity you are going to be safe. No to mention that police have guns and machine guns and you definitely down want to be in an area where there a police operation.

Most importantly its about transparency. It is very unusual to have police hiding around, sneaking around, and flying in stealth mode...
especially in switzerland where we pride our self with transparency.
Sorry but this is absolute drivel being spouted by you...and to think there is another thread going on this morning talking about how expats view Switzerland as the safest place...because of their police presence.
Honestly, I know you can't please everybody, but still...the mind boggles
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Old 07.09.2017, 19:50
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in other places police is fully open to the public

https://www.facebook.com/ColonialReg...51033534913771

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Old 07.09.2017, 20:38
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Edzoom, in order to treat your need to know everything that goes on around you, may I recommend you start your own Neighbourhood Watch scheme...this should feed your need to twitch those curtains all the time...
He'll need drones to observe the helicopters. EF provides everything.

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Exactly, so what do you do when you hear a helicopter circling over you nonstop and you have no means to check what that is, especially if its dark.
Too much secrecy for a civilian peacekeeping force!
Hide the body, flush the dope down the toilet, smuggle your illegal friends out the back door, hide the Swiss money printing plate in the hole you probably got in the floor ..... what ever you think is necessary is what you do.
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Old 07.09.2017, 23:59
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And if youre afraid of those pesky pork choppers in the sky
No worries, well fix them too
With one of our dr. greenthumb sizzlean screens
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Old 08.09.2017, 09:31
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Most of police flights are for training, maintenance and other non-secret operations. Therefore the police can choose to press the button to go dark when they are conducting surveillance or other operations however in this case the air traffic control has to maintain the area off limits...

to always fly under secrecy requires a lot of systems and resources and therefore good reason. It amazes me how swiss police seems to always find good reason to take the most extreme measures in such a safe and calm country where petty crime is the biggest problem.




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Most of police flights are for training, maintenance and other non-secret operations. Therefore the police can choose to press the button to go dark when they are conducting surveillance or other operations however in this case the air traffic control has to maintain the area off limits...

to always fly under secrecy requires a lot of systems and resources and therefore good reason. It amazes me how swiss police seems to always find good reason to take the most extreme measures in such a safe and calm country where petty crime is the biggest problem.
To be fair, you don't really share much substantiated information - how do you know this? Are you in the police force, or do you have a link to some official information which sets out the conditions for surveillance flying and visibility?

There was a big police operation yesterday in the city, which was splashed all over the news sites and Twitter within minutes of it kicking off.
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Old 08.09.2017, 11:13
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are you referring to Zurich city? I heard about something big going on that supposedly was a taxi driver reporting a very dangerous suspicious guy that left his taxi without paying. So the lack of transparency on the part of the police kept the citizens of Zurich city under terror not knowing why there is police all over, it is a potential terror attack coming or what. Hours later the police decide to release a short statement about the taxi driver. Only in switzerland... in other places there is real crime in switzerland they respond like a war for a fare skipper.
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Old 08.09.2017, 11:17
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are you referring to Zurich city? I heard about something big going on that supposedly was a taxi driver reporting a very dangerous suspicious guy that left his taxi without paying. So the lack of transparency on the part of the police kept the citizens of Zurich city under terror not knowing why there is police all over, it is a potential terror attack coming or what. Hours later the police decide to release a short statement about the taxi driver. Only in switzerland... in other places there is real crime in switzerland they respond like a war for a fare skipper.

Hours later? No, pretty soon after the first people noticed this happening, so very quickly.
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are you referring to Zurich city? I heard about something big going on that supposedly was a taxi driver reporting a very dangerous suspicious guy that left his taxi without paying. So the lack of transparency on the part of the police kept the citizens of Zurich city under terror not knowing why there is police all over, it is a potential terror attack coming or what. Hours later the police decide to release a short statement about the taxi driver. Only in switzerland... in other places there is real crime in switzerland they respond like a war for a fare skipper.
Terror? No not really. I went for a run and picked up some lunch.

If the police start losing their mind and causing panic with road blocks and twitchy trigger fingers when even they don't know the details THAT is when I will edge a bit closer to "terror". Similarly, if they start leaking the investigation all over the media like a sieve, based on zero intel.

I don't know what kind of cop-drama you are trying to push onto Zurich but I'm quite glad that they handle things the way they do. Much better than being shot in the back by a panicked and trigger-happy rookie because I might be in the wrong place at the wrong time putting my hand in my bag for my purse.
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It amazes me how swiss police seems to always find good reason to take the most extreme measures in such a safe and calm country where petty crime is the biggest problem.
I'm sure the Swiss police will be very pleased to know that they are succeeding in keeping you amazed with their work, this of course being an important goal of theirs...
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Old 08.09.2017, 12:30
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are you referring to Zurich city? I heard about something big going on that supposedly was a taxi driver reporting a very dangerous suspicious guy that left his taxi without paying. So the lack of transparency on the part of the police kept the citizens of Zurich city under terror not knowing why there is police all over, it is a potential terror attack coming or what. Hours later the police decide to release a short statement about the taxi driver. Only in switzerland... in other places there is real crime in switzerland they respond like a war for a fare skipper.
I also heard somebody flushed their loo after 10 pm yesterday. The police haven't issued a statement yet but i understand the individual and his extended family have been arrested.

I'm really concerned by the way crime is getting out of hand and the press are refusing to talk about it.
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after terrorizing zurich about a dangerous person on the loose it turns out that it was absolutely nothing just another case of swiss policing )


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08.09.2017 - Press release
After a report from a taxi driver about a suspicious passenger, a large-scale search for an unknown suspect was taken on the Wednesday evening (6.9.2017). In the course of the afternoon, the stranger could be recognized and arrested at the Zurich main station (see our press release on 7.9.2017).

In the meantime the identity of the arrested person could be ascertained. It is a 28-year-old Romanian who does not live in Switzerland. The intensive investigations and the survey confirmed that the person arrested did not pose a threat and the man could not be associated with any serious criminal offense. On the instructions of the public prosecutor of the canton of Zurich, he was released from custody.

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are you referring to Zurich city? I heard about something big going on that supposedly was a taxi driver reporting a very dangerous suspicious guy that left his taxi without paying. So the lack of transparency on the part of the police kept the citizens of Zurich city under terror not knowing why there is police all over, it is a potential terror attack coming or what. Hours later the police decide to release a short statement about the taxi driver. Only in switzerland... in other places there is real crime in switzerland they respond like a war for a fare skipper.
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after terrorizing zurich about a dangerous person on the loose it turns out that it was absolutely nothing just another case of swiss policing )
So basically the police were right not to make a massive song and dance out of it, then?
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Yes I thought exactly the same. Cant imagine what the real thing would be like!! Probably they would sleep through it. Typical Swiss police-bored and need the slightest rediculous excuse to terrorize the whole of Zürich. The moral of the story-don't use Taxis!
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KAPO ZH Information on the police use supplement

08.09.2017 - Press release
After a report from a taxi driver about a suspicious passenger, a large-scale search for an unknown suspect was taken on the Wednesday evening (6.9.2017). In the course of the afternoon, the stranger could be recognized and arrested at the Zurich main station (see our press release on 7.9.2017).

In the meantime the identity of the arrested person could be ascertained. It is a 28-year-old Romanian who does not live in Switzerland. The intensive investigations and the survey confirmed that the person arrested did not pose a threat and the man could not be associated with any serious criminal offense. On the instructions of the public prosecutor of the canton of Zurich, he was released from custody.

Canton Police Zurich
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Switzerland is a police state.
To be honest I think if you ever said that to someone who came from a genuine police state, they would probably laugh in your face and assume you are a privileged posh toff trying to be a bit edgy and wannabe-mad at the system...
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