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View Poll Results: Do you support the Energy Act?
Yes 12 29.27%
No 11 26.83%
Can't vote, but Yes 10 24.39%
Can't vote, but No 6 14.63%
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Old 16.05.2017, 22:45
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

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The people who vote for AKW, would they be willing to buy a house next to one... Just thinking...
Better that than a wind farm, or a large dam.

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Old 16.05.2017, 22:50
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The people who vote for AKW, would they be willing to buy a house next to one... Just thinking...
Wouldn't bother me, as long as the technology were up to date. The only thing that would bother would be the same as living right next to a wind farm, sight (and sound in the latter case) pollution.
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Old 21.05.2017, 14:10
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

Looks like it's going to go through, Hochrechnung is 58%.

AG voted no with 81% no in Leibstadt - no surprise there, the nuke plant has to be the biggest employer in the area.
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Old 21.05.2017, 15:38
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

Up to 1.1 million for, 800K against. Only Bern and Basel Stadt to come.

Sorry, Tom, TI voted quite heavily for.
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Old 21.05.2017, 18:43
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

Yippie yee. Yes. People shared my opinion.
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Old 21.05.2017, 18:57
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

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Yippie yee. Yes. People shared my opinion.
Opinion is one thing. Reality is an other. With great interest I will monitor Switzerland fulfilling the miracle. But of course the sun shines brighter on Switzerland than anywhere else and God will breath personally to keep the wind wheels moving
The batteries we will use in addition we just send to EU to dispose.

Interesting, the voices "the industry will run abroad, the industry will run abroad" were silent this time
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

You can always move abroad when your reality moves in.
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Old 21.05.2017, 19:05
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You can always move abroad when your reality moves in.
Excuse me, this is my home?!
But you're clearly the better Swiss than I am, you got the basic lines down to a t.
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

Of this I am sure. But you can still move into the securely imploding Plant of Mister Röschti.
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Up to 1.1 million for, 800K against. Only Bern and Basel Stadt to come.

Sorry, Tom, TI voted quite heavily for.
Makes sense.
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Old 21.05.2017, 22:52
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

I'm embarrased to say I was hungover and woke up too late to go and vote .

FR was a pretty convincing "oui" anway .
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Old 21.05.2017, 23:05
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Sorry, Tom, TI voted quite heavily for.
Fortunately, I'll be long dead before this assinine stupidity becomes reality.

May all you idiots suffer the crap you deserve.

The dumbing-down of people in Switzerland is worrying to no end.

Thankfully, we have EXIT.

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Old 21.05.2017, 23:32
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

The problem with the strong push towards renewable sources currently is that they are unrealistic unless the boffins find a solution to scalable long(er) term energy storage.

Without that, they are never going to replace stable base load power generation. Physics does not care about legal frameworks and wishful thinking. I'm afraid what we are going to get is pretty much what happened in Germany: clueless do-gooders hell bent on committing some good make sure that the nuclear infrastructure is decommissioned, but it turns out that coal power generation needs to step up to provide the base load power...
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

Cars will never be able to substitute horse and carriage... Women are only suited to toil at home... Only menfolk can vote...Women are feebleminded and therefore not suited to study at Universities... Earth can't move...
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Old 21.05.2017, 23:47
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The problem with the strong push towards renewable sources currently is that they are unrealistic unless the boffins find a solution to scalable long(er) term energy storage.
Exactly. Long term energy storage is still the biggest issue surrounding renewable sources. The family in Port Elgin have told us about how Ontario sells it's excess energy from wind turbines to America at a loss, and their bills are the highest in North America. Once the storage nut's been cracked, they'll be laughing.
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Better that than a wind farm, or a large dam.

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And better than living near a coal or oil fired power station.

To put it in perspective more people were killed last year in Switzerland in road accidents than were killed world wide in the whole history of nuclear power.

Edit - And for the hydro electric fans "When, in 1975, about 30 dams in central China failed in short succession due to severe flooding, an estimated 230,000 people died. Include the toll from this single event, and fatalities from hydropower far exceed the number of deaths from all other energy sources."
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Re: Energy Act Vote, 21st May

The future is really very simple. We have plenty of bunkers, and we will just have to put on a thick coat and stay inside them for 30% of our lives, but with the lights out.

How else is Switzerland going to save 30% on electricity, starting in 2018?
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And better than living near a coal or oil fired power station.

To put it in perspective more people were killed last year in Switzerland in road accidents than were killed world wide in the whole history of nuclear power.
So what you mean to say with this is that one's proximity to either car as projectile or to nuclear material going wrong (for various reasons) leads to death. In your example: a lot more cars, higher probability.
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So what you mean to say with this is that one's proximity to either car as projectile or to nuclear material going wrong (for various reasons) leads to death. In your example: a lot more cars, higher probability.
This whole worry about nuclear power just makes me laugh.

There have been ca. 75 deaths due to nuclear power accidents; ca. 60 of those were Chernobyl.

Meanwhile there were ca. 2,500 tests of nuclear weapons; now that was something to worry about?

Have you heard of the baby tooth survey?

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The results of a more comprehensive study of the elements found in the teeth collected showed that children born after 1963 had levels of strontium 90 in their baby teeth that was 50 times higher than that found in children born before large-scale atomic testing began.
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There is a Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which prohibit the testing of nuclear weapons in outer space, underwater or in the atmosphere but the U.S. Senate rejected the treaty in 1999 and other nations, including India, North Korea and Pakistan, have not ratified the treaty.
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So what you mean to say with this is that one's proximity to either car as projectile or to nuclear material going wrong (for various reasons) leads to death. In your example: a lot more cars, higher probability.
This whole worry about nuclear power just makes me laugh.

There have been ca. 75 deaths due to nuclear power accidents; ca. 60 of those were Chernobyl.

Meanwhile there were ca. 2,500 tests of nuclear weapons; now that was something to worry about?

Have you heard of the baby tooth survey?

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Preliminary results of the Baby Tooth Survey were published in the November 24, 1961, edition of the journal Science, and showed that levels of strontium 90 had risen steadily in children born in the 1950s, with those born later showing the most pronounced increases.
The results of a more comprehensive study of the elements found in the teeth collected showed that children born after 1963 had levels of strontium 90 in their baby teeth that was 50 times higher than that found in children born before large-scale atomic testing began.
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There is a Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which prohibit the testing of nuclear weapons but the U.S. Senate rejected the treaty in 1999 and other nations, including India, North Korea and Pakistan, have not ratified the treaty.
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