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The 'Beschraenkungs-Initiative'

http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...ive---29811167

Back in focus again, the freedom of movement and immigration into Switzerland which needs to be drastically limited and with urgency.
Will this new initiative be the answer that the majority have been waiting for?
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Old 24.06.2017, 11:53
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Re: The 'Beschraenkungs-Initiative'

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Back in focus again, the freedom of movement and immigration into Switzerland which needs to be drastically limited and with urgency.
Will this new initiative be the answer that the majority have been waiting for?
Majority? In your world maybe but I'll wait for the vote. CHF 100 says it's rejected.
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freedom of movement and immigration into Switzerland which needs to be drastically limited and with urgency.
Why? There's still plenty of room in Switzerland.
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Majority? In your world maybe but I'll wait for the vote. CHF 100 says it's rejected.

No, not in my world. In CH. With the 'majority' I was referring to the Masseneinwanderungsinitiative which passed.
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No, not in my world. In CH. With the 'majority' I was referring to the Masseneinwanderungsinitiative which passed.
50.33% Yes. For a milder initiative than this is likely to be. Times have also changed since. Polls have indicated the majority are happy with the Bundesrat's implementation and one attempt to impose something stricter already failed. Even the SVP backed off from trying to impose a stricter interpretation.

So no. There is nothing so far to substantiate that this is the wish of the majority.

Edit. If you're so worried about immigration in Switzerland you could always go back to the UK. Or don't you apply it to yourself?
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Re: The 'Beschraenkungs-Initiative'

I've been saying for years that the Linth Plain between Lachen, Utznach and Ziegelbruecke is underutilised. There's room there for a city the size of Zurich or bigger!

Imagine, a central business district situated in Schaenis, with the Lidl as the centrepiece of an enormous new retail destination! Delightful, airy suburbs climbing up the hills to the Waegital! Dormitory districts for the working and lower middle classes stretching from Gommiswald to Wangen! And a lovely green park where Siebnen used to be!

It would be wonderful, and could house a million inhabitants or more! And think of all the jobs that would be created to put up those walls, install those windows, do all that plumbing, tile all those roofs!

Linthstadt: City of Dreams

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Re: The 'Beschraenkungs-Initiative'

Not enough coffee for me or did several posts suddenly disappear??
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Not enough coffee for me or did several posts suddenly disappear??
I see just 7 posts - never saw any more on this thread.
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I see just 7 posts - never saw any more on this thread.
Me neither.
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Not enough coffee, other thread clearly
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Re: The 'Beschraenkungs-Initiative'

Many Swiss I know feel that they're being overrun. They yearn for the pre Schengen days where skilled specialists could get a long term permit, but unskilled workers only got a 3 Month saisonnier permit.

Amongst other things, the saisonnier scheme allowed them to export their unskilled unemployed and keep the indigenous unskilled employed.
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Re: The 'Beschraenkungs-Initiative'

Can I interest anyone in joining the Jehovah's Witnesses or buying double glazing?

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Why? There's still plenty of room in Switzerland.
Possibly, though it depends on how you look at it.

With news like this coming out: http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...-Pass-27810067

you can understand why some people feel the need it really is time to 'close the borders' properly.

Interesting also to note that the vast majority of comments on articles like this: http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...gkeit-29811167

are for the implementation of such an initiative, not against!

You're right though, whether such an initiative would pass is another matter.
It may pass and then the government water it down again, just like they have done with what has already been voted, so that it has little or no effect. Then they'd be back to square one.
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No, not in my world. In CH. With the 'majority' I was referring to the Masseneinwanderungsinitiative which passed.

Only passed because the SVP lied about the impact on the EU agreements.

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Possibly, though it depends on how you look at it.

With news like this coming out: http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...-Pass-27810067

you can understand why some people feel the need it really is time to 'close the borders' properly.
You do not know how the system works here do you?
If you are Swiss and claim social benefits then the authorities go after your relatives for compensation which is a powerful disincentive for many Swiss to claim.

Consequently Swiss try to avoid claiming

The number of non Swiss claimants of 146,501 is relatively small versus the over 2 million non Swiss here and do remember this number of claimants includes over 20,000 refugees who are not allowed to work so must claim. Plus people who are born here but of non Swiss parents are also classed as non-Swiss.

It is also not clear from the article what is defined as "social benefits".
In UK the official figure is that 64% of families receive social benefits but these are defined to include child benefit so it is not easy to compare to here.
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Only passed because the SVP lied about the impact on the EU agreements.

You do not know how the system works here do you?
Nonsense!

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It is also not clear from the article what is defined as "social benefits".
Generally it means regular monthly social welfare payments from the town hall which you are entitled to once you have exhausted unemployment benefit (if you were ever entitled to the latter).
And generally speaking other types of payments and benefits are not considered to be social welfare/aid for these sorts of statistics.
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Re: The 'Beschraenkungs-Initiative'

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Back in focus again, the freedom of movement and immigration into Switzerland which needs to be drastically limited and with urgency.
Will this new initiative be the answer that the majority have been waiting for?
Don't know who you've been associating with, but the majority opinion is not presented by the SVP.
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Don't know who you've been associating with, but the majority opinion is not presented by the SVP.
Again, the majority that I was referring to was the Masseneinwanderungsinitiative which passed but was not implemented.
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Again, the majority that I was referring to was the Masseneinwanderungsinitiative which passed but was not implemented.
Your talking about 20k people....
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Re: The 'Beschraenkungs-Initiative'

Koblenz, I did not find the statistics supporting the article's title claim. Could you point me to them? Thank you!

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Nonsense!

Generally it means regular monthly social welfare payments from the town hall which you are entitled to once you have exhausted unemployment benefit (if you were ever entitled to the latter).
And generally speaking other types of payments and benefits are not considered to be social welfare/aid for these sorts of statistics.
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