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Old 19.10.2017, 13:36
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The UK is considering it now.
Wales already has the opt out system http://organdonationwales.org/?lang=en

I'm 100% for organ donation. Take everything that can be of any use, burn the rest and chuck the ashes in the sea, preferably off the back of the Blue Star ferry from Santorini to Piraeus . I don't want any grave or marker, and my OH is fully aware of this.
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Old 19.10.2017, 16:08
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

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I dunno, but given that there are too few donors and too many people seem to be on the transplant register for so long that they slip off the mortal coil before they get a chance of a new organ, I guess beggars can't be choosers.

You are allowed to refuse an organ, which is then passed onto the next recipient in line who has to be told that it was refused but not why.
That's certainly one point.

Another one may be ensuing liability for false information (including perhaps ones the hospital wasn't aware of them being false), but also where the need to inform ends. When is one considered an ex-smoker (to continue on this case, may apply likewise to other risk factors)? And for how long (I've been told after about 20 years the risk for the various diseases is the same as for never-smokers)? What are the relevant risk factors to begin with? And what if the deceased didn't tell, or lied completely or just partially (ex-smoker but for a false number of years)?
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I'd be happy if somebody could make use of my clapped out organs when I'm dead, it's not as if I'd have any use for them then.
How I envy the lucky sod who'll be getting my eyes. What those corneas have seen....
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

I am fine with opt-out and I will opt-out of every option.

Not because I will not be a donor but because I do not want that my choices impacting the level of efforts doctors will be putting in to save me in case of accidents,etc.

My wife is aware of my choice and that is enough.
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Old 19.10.2017, 16:53
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On a related note, I just read this that says that in practice many UK registered organ doners' bits are not being used due to family's not giving consent, even though they don't legally need it. Ridiculous - if someone's gone to the effort to register the family shouldn't have any say in the decision. Anyone know the current situation here?
I've carried a donor card since 1993 but I can still understand the feelings behind the above situtation. It would be hard for the doctors to physically 'remove' the body against the wishes of the relatives.

I wonder how we would react if a doctor said, OK your husband is dead. Shall we send his body straight over to the crematorium or bury him in ten minutes? "Hey, wait a minute" Most people need a bit of time to 'take in' the death of a person they loved. However daft it sounds, many relatives like a few minutes with the dead body. Just there. Thinking. With the removal of organs imminent I suppose this ritual gets disturbed. Maybe the reaction of the family is partially caused by the timing. I have a feeling that some folk who react so strongly, in spite of their relatves wishes, were simply overwhelmed by the situation.

Another thought - A couple of years ago I suggested to Alain Berset that to encourage folk to think about becoming an organ donor, there could be two lines added to the Health Insurance Form.

If necessary to save/extend my life, I would be prepared to accept a donor organ. Yes/No
When I die, I wish any of my organs which can be used to save/extend the life of another person, to be removed for this purpose. Yes/No

Anyone who said yes to the second question, would receive a Donor Form already filled out with their name ready to be signed.

Of course, I received the official answer that it would not be practical, have no legal basis, not binding bla bla bla.
I still think it might encourage the odd person to think how lop-sided their decisions are.
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My wife is aware of my choice and that is enough.
Are you sure? I wouldn't count on her ability to override your explicit decisions in anything post-mortem. Actually I doubt she can. For instance the surviving other can't override a "Patientenverfügung" either.
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Old 19.10.2017, 17:21
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

Surprised nobody has come up with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o

Methinks that the Slammergubbins would end up as dog-food.
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Old 19.10.2017, 17:29
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

My wife and I got the forms a couple of weeks ago and discussed it, because we weren't sure what each others wishes were.

I think this is actually difficult because initially I said that I would donate anything/everything, but would not want to receive anything. However, if push comes to shove and I was in need of an organ quickly then obviously I would rethink it. But if I had already decided not to receive and were not in a state to communicate my new wishes.....game over.

We also decided that letting the family decided would be the worst option, not really fair to ask somebody else to make this decision for you.

I think the opt-out system would be good.
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Old 19.10.2017, 17:39
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I am fine with opt-out and I will opt-out of every option.

Not because I will not be a donor but because I do not want that my choices impacting the level of efforts doctors will be putting in to save me in case of accidents,etc.

My wife is aware of my choice and that is enough.
One reasonto have a default opt-in (in the UK) is precisely to help remove family from the equation when explicit choices have not been made.

That is, given a recently expired corpse on the table that had never opted in: no need to ask emotional relatives if they can have the bits.

Write your choice down!
This is effectively a will for your body you write down wills, surely...?
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Are you sure? I wouldn't count on her ability to override your explicit decisions in anything post-mortem. Actually I doubt she can. For instance the surviving other can't override a "Patientenverfügung" either.
Here we go..we already found an improvement point
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Old 19.10.2017, 17:40
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One reasonto have a default opt-in (in the UK) is precisely to help remove family from the equation when explicit choices have not been made.

That is, given a recently expired corpse on the table that had never opted in: no need to ask emotional relatives if they can have the bits.

Write your choice down!
This is effectively a will for your body you write down wills, surely...?
I got it but I simply do not trust doctors.
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Old 19.10.2017, 17:46
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I got it but I simply do not trust doctors.
Do you really think they'd be checking your organ donation wishes before they treated you?
In an emergency situation such an as accident etc they don't really have the time to be worrying about things like that.
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They can have mine if they want too, unless I die of cancer, in which case they won’t want them. Am actually not sure if you can donate having had cancer, even if there’s no evidence of disease. Washing might not get rid of micro metastatic disease in organs.


In the US, the greatest barrier to organ donation is failure of the potential donor to discuss her/his wishes with the family. And the family says no. So, even if you don’t opt out, make sure you inform your family or significant ones of your wishes.
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I got it but I simply do not trust doctors.
Probably best stick to homeopathy and the like then?
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Do you really think they'd be checking your organ donation wishes before they treated you?
In an emergency situation such an as accident etc they don't really have the time to be worrying about things like that.
It is not an immediate action but when things get critical yes they will check it. Even if they won't, why risk it.
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

Its just a money making business. Thats all. And who can pay the most or has a high position in society gets first serve!! Dont fool yourself.
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

Utterly gobsmacked with a couple of the posts above.

My ex husband worked for a funeral director (as a stonemason), and as a direct result of spending a lot of time with his colleagues as friends, I want everything that's of any use to be donated. No ifs. No buts. Take the lot and burn what's left. I don't want a coffin or church service or any of that fuss and palaver. I want my ashes urn to be on a shelf behind the bar for a massive piss up, then scatter them in the Aegean. End of.

My grandfather always said the biggest wastes of land are golf courses and cemetaries, and I reckon he was bang on the money there
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My grandfather always said the biggest wastes of land are golf courses and cemetaries, and I reckon he was bang on the money there
My dad said that about cemeteries (he golfed).
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Utterly gobsmacked with a couple of the posts above.

My ex husband worked for a funeral director (as a stonemason), and as a direct result of spending a lot of time with his colleagues as friends, I want everything that's of any use to be donated. No ifs. No buts. Take the lot and burn what's left. I don't want a coffin or church service or any of that fuss and palaver. I want my ashes urn to be on a shelf behind the bar for a massive piss up, then scatter them in the Aegean. End of.

My grandfather always said the biggest wastes of land are golf courses and cemetaries, and I reckon he was bang on the money there
Well, I didnt see anbody arguing against donorship. The diacussion is on the implications of declaring in advance.
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

I see an opt-out sytem as a bad idea, as many people will not like the idea of presumed consent (I certainly don't).

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