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Old 24.10.2017, 13:32
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Due to mad-cow diseases in the UK in the 80s, my organs apparently aren't good enough for Swiss tastes. Therefore I was thinking of donating it to medical research when I'm done with it instead.
Medical research is where I draw the line. Being some shaven headed cadaver on a slab for 1st year anatomy students to practice on doesn't really appeal to me. Plus I've known enough medics to know the level of respect some students treat the bodies with.
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Old 24.10.2017, 13:43
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Would you rather they practised on live patients then- you perhaps?

Who cares anyhow- you won't be there to witness it, will you? Totally agree with you PaddyG- you can't take it with you hey.

As for religion- it just depends. There are so many ways of being Christian, Jew, Muslims, etc - and so many ways within the many ways!

When my cousin died of cancer a few years ago, a good practising Catholic - his daughter wanted him to be cremated as per his express wishes. His sister, an 'extreme' catholic went berserk, and said they could not have him cremated as he needed his body for the resurrection. 10 years later, they are still not talking! (he was cremated and his ashes put in his wife's grave). She was furious my dad was also cremated - according to his wishes

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Medical research is where I draw the line. Being some shaven headed cadaver on a slab for 1st year anatomy students to practice on doesn't really appeal to me. Plus I've known enough medics to know the level of respect some students treat the bodies with.
In the US, they don’t shave cadaver heads for anatomy classes. In fact, cadavers have moustaches and all sorts of facial hair. But I agree at the lack of respect.
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

I'd rather a surgeon-in-training practised on my dead body than made a mistake due to lack of knowledge on the live body of one of my family.

Who cares what they do, you're dead?
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

Reality check:
Does "opt-out" or "presumed consent" (usually applied as a "soft opt-out" meaning it won't be acted upon if the family [strongly] objects) actually increase the numer of donations/donors? Is it even effective, and if so to what extent?

According to this article the answer seems to be "maybe" at best, perhaps even "probably not". Rather, the accompanying measures seem to have had it rise, as shown by France and Brasil.

I will have to do some digging on Austrian numbers, who seem to have a "hard opt-out" meaning family has no say.
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

http://www.reuters.com/investigates/...odies-brokers/

Today's related article.

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I'd rather a surgeon-in-training practised on my dead body than made a mistake due to lack of knowledge on the live body of one of my family.

Who cares what they do, you're dead?
Indeed. Having spent many many years very close to medics, and in the 70s with young medics in training- the 'lack of respect' is really a coping mechanism- dark humour being the best strategy for survival in difficult circumstances and very long hours. It id shock me at first - as I used to share dinner table day in, day out with junior docs in London- but I soon realised that it was a simple coping technique.

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I'd rather a surgeon-in-training practised on my dead body than made a mistake due to lack of knowledge on the live body of one of my family.

Who cares what they do, you're dead?
While I agree with the logical reasoning behind, I actually think people can care about this before they die. If we allow people to make their decision how and when they wish to die, why not offer them the same benefit to actually decide what happens to their bodies after they die. I hope we never morally coerce anyone to give up their organs after their death. If people don't agree, for whatever reason, they should not be made to feel ethically inferior or questioned in a way that adds a value tag.
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Old 25.10.2017, 13:58
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How does the last one, about how long an organ is viable, nullify the debate about organ donors dying outside of their native country? Within the number of hours specified, one could fly an organ across several European borders, to a suitable recipient, couldn't one?
The time scales given are from the moment of organ harvest until the completion of the transplant operation.

When a friend was called to say there was a suitable kidney for him, he was at work and had to be driven immediately to the hospital by a customer. Thankfully, he worked with his wife, so she could go with him to the hospital. The organ was flown in by helicopter. Every second counts, and if that means that the organs won't survive transfer back to the donor's country of origin, then so be it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-15092916

When I pop my clogs, I sincerely hope that at least some of my organs go to help others. I've always felt that way and always will. My OH has been told repeatedly, in no uncertain terms, that if he doesn't abide by my wishes, I will come back and haunt him til the end of his days.
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When I pop my clogs, I sincerely hope that at least some of my organs go to help others. I've always felt that way and always will. My OH has been told repeatedly, in no uncertain terms, that if he doesn't abide by my wishes, I will come back and haunt him til the end of his days.
That could back fire. If he loves you a lot, a lot, a lot, he will go for that option.

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While I agree with the logical reasoning behind, I actually think people can care about this before they die. If we allow people to make their decision how and when they wish to die, why not offer them the same benefit to actually decide what happens to their bodies after they die. I hope we never morally coerce anyone to give up their organs after their death. If people don't agree, for whatever reason, they should not be made to feel ethically inferior or questioned in a way that adds a value tag.
Fair enough but if everyone refused then trainee doctors would be really stuck for gaining experience.

The alternative ways of getting experience of surgical procedures don't really compare with the real thing:

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Fair enough but if everyone refused then trainee doctors would be really stuck for gaining experience.

The alternative ways of getting experience of surgical procedures don't really compare with the real thing:

Read this -
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/...192.1508007665

Not sure why Reuters is going overboard last two days with this scary scenario, but I think massive campaign for organ donation can backfire.

I don't think everyone will withdraw from donations. But I think people who do should not have to ever justify their choice.
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The alternative ways of getting experience of surgical procedures don't really compare with the real thing:

Not to mention that those having practiced on apple might not know what to do with many android-humans here.
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Dark humor is one thing. But not the same as lack of respect imho. I suppose that when i’m dead they can have my body. If they are disrespectful little sh*ts, I’ll just come back and haunt them.
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

Not in Switzerland, but it could be here eventually. For now...

Organ donation will now be automatic in England unless people opt out, in new laws which come into effect today and could save up to 700 lives a year.

BBC article with a few stories of organ recipients

I'm surprised this bit of news hasn't appeared yet today on EF given how many English folks we have as members.
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Not in Switzerland, but it could be here eventually. For now...

Organ donation will now be automatic in England unless people opt out, in new laws which come into effect today and could save up to 700 lives a year.

BBC article with a few stories of organ recipients

I'm surprised this bit of news hasn't appeared yet today on EF given how many English folks we have as members.
I am not surprised. Quite a few people I know wouldn't do it.
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And of course the corona crises again demonstates how they can can away all individual rights ( if one has ANY these days!)
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I am not surprised. Quite a few people I know wouldn't do it.
Wouldn't do what? Do you mean they wouldn't donate their organs or wouldn't bother to opt out of an automatically opted-in situation?
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Wouldn't do what? Do you mean they wouldn't donate their organs or wouldn't bother to opt out of an automatically opted-in situation?
I was not surprised how little attention the article got here.

On that note - if a Brit dies here then and since there is no automatic organ donation thing, they have to opt in before they die?
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