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I was not surprised how little attention the article got here.

On that note - if a Brit dies here then and since there is no automatic organ donation thing, they have to opt in before they die?
You didnít answer 3Wís question.
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Old 21.05.2020, 21:56
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Wouldn't do what? Do you mean they wouldn't donate their organs or wouldn't bother to opt out of an automatically opted-in situation?
Same question, I do not understand your post. Thanks.

Hypothetical question. 2 people waiting for a life-saving transplant. Medics can't decide as having added up all the criteria- they get exactly the same score, absolutely nothing to differentiate them to help make the decision- there is only 1 organ and both will die if they don't get it. 1 carries a donor card, and tells medics that should s/he die, S/he wants organs to serve to help others, and the next of kin and family confirms this. The other has opted out of Organ Donation and keeps telling medics and staff that on no account should his/her organs be used for others, not even skin tissue. Toss a coin, or ....?

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Old 22.05.2020, 19:02
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Wouldn't do what? Do you mean they wouldn't donate their organs or wouldn't bother to opt out of an automatically opted-in situation?
It would be interesting to get a reply- as it is a very good question. Thanks.
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Old 22.05.2020, 23:35
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I was not surprised how little attention the article got here.

On that note - if a Brit dies here then and since there is no automatic organ donation thing, they have to opt in before they die?
It makes sense that there was little attention here....Brits resident in CH would be most likely to die in CH (as thatís where they spend most time) so automatic organ donation Rules in UK wouldnít be top of mind.

If a Brit dies here, same rules as for non Brits apply....the doctors need to ask the relatives for permission if there is no donor card or other clear expression of wishes. Legislation of the country of death applies (suspect great caution is applied in cases of non-residents who die in automatic donation unless you opted out places)
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Old 22.05.2020, 23:47
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It makes sense that there was little attention here....Brits resident in CH would be most likely to die in CH (as thatís where they spend most time) so automatic organ donation Rules in UK wouldnít be top of mind.

If a Brit dies here, same rules as for non Brits apply....the doctors need to ask the relatives for permission if there is no donor card or other clear expression of wishes. Legislation of the country of death applies (suspect great caution is applied in cases of non-residents who die in automatic donation unless you opted out places)
Thanks, H. That is what I thought.
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Old 23.05.2020, 11:21
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I am very surprised that couples, families, mostly don't talk about these things- so their partner and close relatives don't know about their wishes. My OH and my children, all know that they should volunteer any bits of me before being asked. I know the same goes for him- and for our daughters. My older brother has discussed this with us and has written his advanced directives, signed and dated with my name, and that of his favourite niece and step-daughter.

Why not make it clear to your loved ones what you wish to do. I always carry my British Donor card and the Swiss one, and a note in my passport.

Mind you, getting to the stage when not much would be good enough to be of any use- but skin for grafts, etc. Strangely enough, Brits living here who lived in UK in the 80s can't give blood, due to CJD possible contamination- but organs are OK as they are thoroughly washed of blood.

Would be really interested to do a course in Ethics- as some decisions are very very difficult. Possibly the reason why no-one replied to my ethical hypothesis. My answer is- if all other factors are equal, and nothing can distinguish between the two cases, the one who is registered as a Donor gets it. Much better than tossing a coin or drawing straws.

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Wouldn't do what? Do you mean they wouldn't donate their organs or wouldn't bother to opt out of an automatically opted-in situation?''

we will never get an answer, I imagine.
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Old 23.05.2020, 11:34
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Wouldn't do what? Do you mean they wouldn't donate their organs or wouldn't bother to opt out of an automatically opted-in situation?''

we will never get an answer, I imagine.
Of course we wonít, you know the drill by now. Selective replies is the modus operandi.

My family all all fully aware of my wishes regarding organ donation when Iím gone and vice versa.
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Old 23.05.2020, 14:08
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Re: Initiative for organ donation

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I am very surprised that couples, families, mostly don't talk about these things- so their partner and close relatives don't know about their wishes...
I think it's more subtle than have a conversation or not. It's not a comfortable conversation to have. A lot of people don't like considering death or how life continues for loved ones after. Many families disagree on a number of aspects, organ donation being just one of them. There's still a widespread belief (at least in the USA) that if you sign up as being an organ donor, doctors won't work as hard to save your life.
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Old 23.05.2020, 16:07
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yes, one more reason for it to be discussed. Do you believe that to be the case? I suppose in a private system where there are huge sums of money to be made, or in 3rd world countries where a small elite is prepared to pay vast sums or give powerful incentives, etc, to 'harvest' an organ- this is a real concern. In the UK or Switzerland- it is not imho.
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