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Old 08.11.2017, 18:20
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Because she specifically targeted the guests who were Jewish. Had she just said in the notice "would all guests", then nobody would have given a toss. It would be like saying would all Estos please sit down when peeing because Estos always pee on the seat and floor. But everybody else is OK. I think that would upset you, well actually I dont think that would upset but its my analogy and I'll stick to it.

Coloured is a very generic term, you have West Indians, African Americans, African etc. Anyway its not for me to find it offensive, but obviously people do, regardless of what Tom says, sure some people are cool with it, the majority is obviously not. Here is an article on CNN it might explain it a bit. Unless you think that CNN is all fake and stuff.


As I said, the phrasing was poor and could should have been done better.
The international shitstorm was blown out of every proportion to it.


May I ask you a question. If the last row in a classroom keeps chatting, how should the teacher adress them? "Could the last row please be quiet" or " Hey Roman, Harvey, Donald, Hillary, Matt, Al, Theresa and Bill please be quiet?"


Hey I will happily call somebody however he likes and I am willing to adapt. If I call them coloured or PoC theres no difference for me, but don't give me a hard time because I didn't get the last memo about pc-terms in a foreign language.
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Ironically, after the first black family moved into our neighborhood, I was speaking with the mother of the family (I was 12 or so), and asked her that given all the different terms being bandied about, what did SHE prefer that people use, and she said 'colored'.

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I'd always advise calling individual people what they want to be called, but again you're trying to discredit something based on anecdotal evidence.

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May I ask you a question. If the last row in a classroom keeps chatting, how should the teacher adress them? "Could the last row please be quiet" or " Hey Roman, Harvey, Donald, Hillary, Matt, Al, Theresa and Bill please be quiet?"
You can probably tell off that specific back row, but them only, and not assume every other back row in the class are disruptive.

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He waited until I was done, then explained that when he was young, they would get offended at being called 'black'...
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Old 08.11.2017, 18:27
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Have i offended you by using a pronoun?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/they
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Have i offended you by using a pronoun?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/they
I'm not offended by any of this, just trying to educate. Nobody has a right not to be offended, but it's nice to be nice and try and respect your fellow man.

Clearly, you realise I am just pointing out that once more you (or your dad, which I guess explains your position) were grouping all black people together under one banner as if they were a homologous block that all think and act the same.
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I'm not offended by any of this, just trying to educate. Nobody has a right not to be offended, but it's nice to be nice and try and respect your fellow man.
please educate me as to why it is somehow not ok to use pronouns anymore.

You didn't have a problem with me using 'they' in earlier posts, to refer to other groups of people.
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Old 08.11.2017, 18:31
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Here is an article on CNN it might explain it a bit. Unless you think that CNN is all fake and stuff.


Btw I am a bit offended by what you try to imply here
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please educate me as to why it is somehow not ok to use pronouns anymore.

You didn't have a problem with me using 'they' in earlier posts, to refer to other groups of people.
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Clearly, you realise I am just pointing out that once more you (or your dad, which I guess explains your position) were grouping all black people together under one banner as if they were a homologous block that all think and act the same.
There you go
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Old 08.11.2017, 18:40
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Or maybe my use( or my father's use) of the word 'they' wasn't referring to black americans as a group, but referring to anyone of any color who would be offended by a word that is generally accepted and already in use, and used in a context without disparaging someone.

'they' could be silly liberals who are always looking for a reason to be offended - surely something that my father would think. And since I was calling him out for using the word colored at the time, as a white liberal, he very well could have meant just that.

Maybe it's just you who are jumping the gun and making silly assumptions based on pronoun use?
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Old 08.11.2017, 18:42
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You can probably tell off that specific back row, but them only, and not assume every other back row in the class are disruptive.

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Let's imagine there's only that one classroom in the world, it has four rows. You had a lot of interactions with every row over your course, but only had this problem with the last group... What do you do? you adress them directly.
Again, she should have phrased in differently, but it was an honest mistake.
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Or maybe my use( or my father's use) of the word 'they' wasn't referring to black americans as a group...
I think the term is "hoist by your own petard".

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He waited until I was done, then explained that when he was young, they would get offended at being called 'black', and 'colored' was the accepted norm.
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Let's imagine there's only that one classroom in the world, it has four rows. You had a lot of interactions with every row over your course, but only had this problem with the last group... What do you do? you adress them directly.
Again, she should have phrased in differently, but it was an honest mistake.
Sure, but that's a completely different point and flawed analogy as there isn't only one group of Jews in the world, or even in that hotel.
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Old 08.11.2017, 18:50
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I think the term is "hoist by your own petard".
whatever, you're reaching to accuse someone of being a racist, or even being just slightly insensitive, because they use an everyday word to describe a group of people. A word that exists exactly for that purpose.

Or should we do away with pronouns altogether?
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He would have been equally racist had he said "I don't want curry eaters in my houses". But then Esto would have argued that anybody can eat a curry so its blatently not racist.

Maybe context is everything.


Hey Tobias I'm not trying to annoy you but I really don't get your mindset and I hope you can explain.


No discussion: If I let an appartment I must consider applicants regardless of Religion, Skin colour and sexual orientation... u get what I mean.


But I have certain rights as a landlord
Example: Sorry guys or ladies, no dogs in my appartment.


So I should be able to tell to future tennants: If you cook Curry once or twice a month, no Problem. But if the smell sticks on my furniture, you will have to replace everything once u move out.
I signed such controcts, not about Curry but Smoking. But to me its the same principle.
Please show me the racism, I just dont see it.
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@StirB - I tried to look back and find an example of you also using 'they', instead I found this:

'There will be fewer gypsies and swarthy people.'


https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ml#post2859451

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr PC, StirB!


*edit: These words were supposedly spoken by somebody else and StirB was merely using the offensive language to make a joke. Although he did not actually quote anyone, he did not say this himself. He was just being sarcastic.

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@StirB - I tried to look back and find an example of you also using 'they', instead I found this:

'There will be fewer gypsies and swarthy people.'


https://www.englishforum.ch/daily-li...ml#post2859451

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr PC, StirB!
Wow, in your desperation to discredit me with an ad hominem, you must have forgotten how sarcasm works

Glad I've got you admitting defeat here though. Be nicer in future.
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Old 08.11.2017, 19:12
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Sure, but that's a completely different point and flawed analogy as there isn't only one group of Jews in the world, or even in that hotel.

One of my favorite sentences in class:
"Nicht jedes Nuklid ist ein Isotop, aber jedes Isotop ist ein Nuklid"
Sure not every jewish guys breaks this rule, but everyone who has broken it so far, was jewish.


The analogy is really flawed if I tried to explain why another hotel in lets say Madrid has this shield at their showers.


But this Lady (teacher) overlooks her hotel (classroom) and calls out only the people(last row) who do the breach of conduct.



(I expect from the one student in the last row who was studying silently that he's old enough to realize I'm not scolding him but the other 95%)

And I see that this is the lesser flaw in my analogy and ultimately the reason that I repeatedly said that lady was wrong. But still too much uproar
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Old 08.11.2017, 19:13
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Wow, in your desperation to discredit me with an ad hominem, you must have forgotten how sarcasm works

Glad I've got you admitting defeat here though. Be nicer in future.
Nice try - so classy in your sarcasm!

Should I go around using the word ni***r just to be sarcastic, would that be okay with you?

You have the balls to try to call me out for not being classy by using a pronoun, when you will use what is commonly known as a unacceptable slur?

you're the one who needs to admit defeat, my friend.

Personally i'm ok with the word gypsy, it doesn't have a racial connotation to me and I don't find it to be offensive in most of the contexts i've ever heard it used.
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Nice try - so classy in your sarcasm!

Should I go around using the word ni***r just to be sarcastic, would that be okay with you?

You have the balls to try to call me out for not being classy by using a pronoun, when you will use what is commonly known as a unacceptable slur?

you're the one who needs to admit defeat, my friend.

Personally i'm ok with the word gypsy, it doesn't have a racial connotation to me and I don't find it to be offensive in most of the contexts i've ever heard it used.
Whoosh. You missed the point and the joke and now you're embarrassed. I quote a Brexiteer and you now attribute the words to me.

All good, it's not like making a tit of yourself on the internet is a permanent blemish on your record...oh wait.
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Whoosh. You missed the point and the joke and now you're embarrassed. All good.
not at all, no embarrassment here. you're projecting
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Hey you gave me my first groan for that. Quite hard after I spent the whole morning helping people of colour get a foot into the labour market.




I understand that most swiss people, myself included, seem/are oblivious to pc-terms. To presume that someone is racist because he speaks about "coloured People" instead of "People of colour" is just wrong.
When did we start caring more about how(in which words) something is said instead of what(content) and why something is said? For example that Lady in arosa who asked the jewish community to shower before going to the pool. Her intention was clear to everyone, but there was a huge shitstorm because of the phrasing.
Like I said I'm my previous post, some people get find ways to get "offended" about anything. One lady was in the news today calling Taco Bell "racist" because they wouldn't sell her french fries (Taco Bell does not make or sell french fries at all). Anyone can call anyone racist for pretty much anything. And white people are so afraid of being labelled a racist, they cave in so fast. I'll bet Taco Bell will issue an apology anyway and start making french fries, LOL
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