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Black Lives Matter lands in Lausanne, just what .ch doesn't need.

So the local trotskists of SolidaritéS (beware political party names...) decided they could capitalize on the death of a prisoner who hadn't taken his meds in the local Bochuz prison. So they relaunched Black Lives Matter Lausanne, which they tried to pull a while ago. This is how you import disorder of the worst kind seeing what happened in the US, into .ch which is meant to be a haven of peace. They chanted the EXACT same Ferguson type things under my windows tonight, and I'm most displeased.

source: ttps://www.24heures.ch/vaud-regions/...story/22298144

https://www.facebook.com/solidarites.vaud/ for photos of just copypasta idiocy. This is not going to end well, and the Swiss Authorities are unlikely to wield to such a foreign concept by often illegal residents.
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Re: Black Lives Matter lands in Lausanne, just what .ch doesn't need.

why are you upset exactly?
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Re: Black Lives Matter lands in Lausanne, just what .ch doesn't need.

Some people just never grew a brain. (I mean the members of those left wing idiocies)
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Some people just never grew a brain. (I mean the members of those left wing idiocies)
I really don't see how this can upset anyone though. We all know that some people rights are lesser than other people's rights unless we lived in own glass menagerie among unicorns.

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I really don't see how this can upset anyone though. We all know that some people rights are lesser than other people's rights unless we lived in own glass menagerie among unicorns.
It's definitely a serious issue in the US, but is it really a serious issue here? Are dark skinned people regularly being shot by police and killed by police in Switzerland? Sure there's discrimination here - as everywhere - but hardly on the scale reported in the US. The unthinking left love their causes, but in my experience have less concern for individuals.
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It's definitely a serious issue in the US, but is it really a serious issue here? Are dark skinned people regularly being shot by police and killed by police in Switzerland? Sure there's discrimination here - as everywhere - but hardly on the scale reported in the US. The unthinking left love their causes, but in my experience have less concern for individuals.


I wonder if they shoot their own leg with this. By complaining about this non-issue (here in ch), they deflect attention away from the real issues which certainly exist. And they anger the local people because they can't relate to their problem and consider them just whining and will be deaf towards further complaints.
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It's definitely a serious issue in the US, but is it really a serious issue here? Are dark skinned people regularly being shot by police and killed by police in Switzerland? Sure there's discrimination here - as everywhere - but hardly on the scale reported in the US. The unthinking left love their causes, but in my experience have less concern for individuals.
Your error is to believe on what the media or this terrorist movement called Black Lives Matter tells. There is no police bias against black people in the US. Statistics show that in the US police doesn't kill more blacks than whites, proportionally to the population. There is, however, a disproportionately high number ofd murders of black people by black people.
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Re: Black Lives Matter lands in Lausanne, just what .ch doesn't need.

So when we talk about black lives, are we talking about black people in general, migrants or refugees? And what about the rest?

If the slogan were "All Lives Matter", I'd have more empathy for the group.
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So when we talk about black lives, are we talking about black people in general, migrants or refugees? And what about the rest?

If the slogan were "All Lives Matter", I'd have more empathy for the group.
"All Lives Matter" would be an anti-abortion group
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"All Lives Matter" would be an anti-abortion group
Thank God we don't have issues like that in Switzerland.
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Its difficult to understand racism or discrimination if you're not from that racial group. Its like me saying sexism doesn't exist in the workplace because I've never seen it happen. If black people feel that their colour singles them out for extra police attention or brusque treatment then its their right to demonstrate in a non-violent manner.
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Statistics show that in the US police doesn't kill more blacks than whites, proportionally to the population.
Not actually true however. Roughly twice as likely.Wikipedia but you can easily find the full article on the Guardian...:

The Guardian newspaper runs its own database, The Counted, which tracked US killings by police and other law enforcement agencies in 2015, and counted 1140 killed, with rates per million of 2.92 for "White" people, 7.2 for "Black", and 3.5 for "Hispanic/Latino", 1.34 for "Asian/Pacific Islander", and 3.4 for "Native American". The database can be viewed by state, gender (1086 male, 53 female, 1 nonconforming), race/ethnicity, age, classification (e.g., "gunshot"), and whether the person killed was armed (853 armed, 224 unarmed).
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Its difficult to understand racism or discrimination if you're not from that racial group. Its like me saying sexism doesn't exist in the workplace because I've never seen it happen. If black people feel that their colour singles them out for extra police attention or brusque treatment then its their right to demonstrate in a non-violent manner.
Agree. I'm white, male, and have no right talking about being black or being female. Or deciding what they should do with their bodies. etc etc
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Your error is to believe on what the media or this terrorist movement called Black Lives Matter tells. There is no police bias against black people in the US. Statistics show that in the US police doesn't kill more blacks than whites, proportionally to the population. There is, however, a disproportionately high number ofd murders of black people by black people.
They do kill more white people in absolute numbers, on average however a black guy has more chance of getting shot. Given that they are expected to show more behaviour which also gives them a higher chance of getting police encounter there is still no need to think anything weird of these numbers without further data. It would be as stupid to conclude that the police hates man, since they shoot more man than woman, very simple explanation is that man are represented in almost every police encounter.

https://www.snopes.com/do-police-kil...-black-people/

Does the american police force have a problem with trigger happy cops, yes they do in my opinion, liveleak is filled with video's of police shooting down people in situations where there absolutely was no need to do so. On the other hand there's over 700.000 police officers in the US, surely there must be a rotten and/or incapable group amongst them. An often used excuse is that they get shot down themselves more and more, actually on percentage there chance to be shot down is lowering steady over the last 30 years, and in absolute numbers it also is going down even tho there is a large increase on amount of officers, so their job got much more safe over time.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36826297
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Not actually true however. Roughly twice as likely.Wikipedia but you can easily find the full article on the Guardian...:

The Guardian newspaper runs its own database, The Counted, which tracked US killings by police and other law enforcement agencies in 2015, and counted 1140 killed, with rates per million of 2.92 for "White" people, 7.2 for "Black", and 3.5 for "Hispanic/Latino", 1.34 for "Asian/Pacific Islander", and 3.4 for "Native American". The database can be viewed by state, gender (1086 male, 53 female, 1 nonconforming), race/ethnicity, age, classification (e.g., "gunshot"), and whether the person killed was armed (853 armed, 224 unarmed).
"Per million" is a useless measure here as most killings occur (I'm assuming) in connection with a crime. Hence it should be measured by crime, or perhaps by violent crime.

With that said, I remember many incidents of unarmed and peaceful blacks shot by cops vs only one white (a female Australian tourist).

So perhaps one should additionally differentiate by crime or non-crime situations.
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I wonder if they shoot their own leg with this. By complaining about this non-issue (here in ch), they deflect attention away from the real issues which certainly exist. And they anger the local people because they can't relate to their problem and consider them just whining and will be deaf towards further complaints.
How do you know it's a non-issue?

Until the reason for Lamine Fatty's death has been determined, which hasn't been concluded yet, that's just a premature as those organising the protestes saying it can only have been murder by the police.
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I wonder if they shoot their own leg with this. By complaining about this non-issue (here in ch), they deflect attention away from the real issues which certainly exist. And they anger the local people because they can't relate to their problem and consider them just whining and will be deaf towards further complaints.
Even if (which may or may not be the case) a black person in Switzerland is probably less likely to be shot by the police on an open street than in the USA, that doesn't make being-shot-by-the-police into a non-issue. Nor is death in custody, however it happened, a non-issue.

I don't like the argument that people whose situation is not completely catastrophic should not be protesting about an issue from which they suffer "only" to a less dramatic extent.

Wealthy, famous gay people who have little to fear from being "out" can still raise their voices in protest for people who are not allowed to love whomsoever they will. Famous straight people can and do, too. Men can (and some do) raise their voices against paying women less than men, for equal work. High-earning executive women can do so, too, for the sake of the other women who earn less.

If it is the case that the local people "can't relate to their problem", well, then, isn't that perhaps all the more reason to demonstrate? Like the Suffragettes... at first, very few people could get their point, and they were told that their lives are not so bad and they shouldn't be complaining.

I think you are right about one point, though: those for whom protesters are "just whining" are, indeed, very likely to turn a deaf ear. That's the tragic part.
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How do you know it's a non-issue?

Until the reason for Lamine Fatty's death has been determined, which hasn't been concluded yet, that's just a premature as those organising the protestes saying it can only have been murder by the police.
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Even if (which may or may not be the case) a black person in Switzerland is probably less likely to be shot by the police on an open street than in the USA, that doesn't make being-shot-by-the-police into a non-issue. Nor is death in custody, however it happened, a non-issue.

I don't like the argument that people whose situation is not completely catastrophic should not be protesting about an issue from which they suffer "only" to a less dramatic extent.

Wealthy, famous gay people who have little to fear from being "out" can still raise their voices in protest for people who are not allowed to love whomsoever they will. Famous straight people can and do, too. Men can (and some do) raise their voices against paying women less than men, for equal work. High-earning executive women can do so, too, for the sake of the other women who earn less.

If it is the case that the local people "can't relate to their problem", well, then, isn't that perhaps all the more reason to demonstrate? Like the Suffragettes... at first, very few people could get their point, and they were told that their lives are not so bad and they shouldn't be complaining.

I think you are right about one point, though: those for whom protesters are "just whining" are, indeed, very likely to turn a deaf ear. That's the tragic part.

Do I think the death of the prisoner should be investigated thoroughly? absolutely
Should a warden be punished accordingly when the investigation Shows that he or she acted carelessly.
Yes, and even more if there is a racist background.


Is this a reason to go on the streets and protesting against PoC shot by the swiss police?
Don't think so (Note, my French is awful, I didn't read the article from OP, so I don't really know what exactly they protested against.)


How many were shot by the swiss police in the last 10 years? There was one "gezielte Tötung" in march 2000.
So if someone talks to me and complains about poc shot by the Police in switzerland I wonder wtf is he talking about.




About the text in bold, I agree with you absolutely. But then let's protest about something that really happens.
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It's definitely a serious issue in the US, but is it really a serious issue here? Are dark skinned people regularly being shot by police and killed by police in Switzerland? Sure there's discrimination here - as everywhere - but hardly on the scale reported in the US. The unthinking left love their causes, but in my experience have less concern for individuals.
Your error is to believe on what the media or this terrorist movement called Black Lives Matter tells.
Erm. No it isn't, because I don't. I also think calling BLM a terrorist movement is making exactly the same mistake as the loony-left trying to shoe-horn a US issue into Switzerland.
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To put it into context - old link, but according to this article the police only fired their weapons eleven times in 2014!

I'd guess that's about five minutes of US police weapons usage...

As others have said - BLM is utter nonsense in a Swiss context.

Black, female, auslander rights maybe ... but lives is just political opportunism.
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Your error is to believe on what the media or this terrorist movement called Black Lives Matter tells. There is no police bias against black people in the US. Statistics show that in the US police doesn't kill more blacks than whites, proportionally to the population. There is, however, a disproportionately high number ofd murders of black people by black people.
huh? have you got anything to back that up? a quick google says as of aug there were 241 fatal police shootings of whites in the US, another google says US demographics are 12.3% black, so you could expect 241 * 12.3% = 30 black deaths, the actual count was 127, proportionally that's over 4 times as many.
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