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Old 01.12.2017, 09:15
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Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

Here's one for all you mongolots who don't bother to learn the language when coming to Switzerland. Would like to see this story in the Mail Online.

Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents
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Old 01.12.2017, 09:26
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

It sounds pretty good to me. A cheap way of dealing with a problem that likely won't go away soon.
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Old 01.12.2017, 09:47
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

Would be easier to communicate electronically in a way it's easy to copy-paste into google translate.
Anyway, in Zurich they teach English in the 2nd class so teachers should be able to speak English with parents. And that's all that is needed right
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Would be easier to communicate electronically in a way it's easy to copy-paste into google translate.
Problem is that google translate will often result in the exact opposite of what is intended when it's german (and a few other languages)
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It sounds pretty good to me. A cheap way of dealing with a problem that likely won't go away soon.
The first question would be if they checked to see if the comprehension level went up after the group of German speakers decided that what it was that non German speakers have problems with (presuming you can dump the comprehension difficulties in all of the non German speakers into one bucket).
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

I do use simple German for all parents since ages - we were actually instructed during training to use simple sentences and common words for written teacher-parent communications.

Messages have to be correct and understandable and nowadays I sometimes send them as SMS, because it is easiest, parents get the info fast and normally do not lose it :-).

This way, I get the desired results.

I've seen heavily winded sentences written by teachers which were wondering that parents didn't understand them... keep it simple, it does not have to be poetry.

Funniest thing I heard once that the Italian-teaching HSK-teacher wrote to the parents to make a date "per una prima comunicazione" and parents wrote back that their child already had had it's first communion and they didn't need another one.

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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

Oops! Sumting wnt rong.

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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

German was "simplified" in 1996 to an almost moronic level. Actually it did not so much simplify the language as make to make it confusing, as to why they bothered, no idea? But having said that I still can´t get my head around it... "Schifffahrt!" with three "f´s" ffsk in a sentence and not in a new line and it gets even worst when you are talking about river water traffic, or "Flussschifffahrt" three "s´es" and three "f´s" and don´t get me started on the whacking of the "ß!"
At the time in ´96 there was outcry about how the language was being butchered to suit the low-wattage plebs and now? Nobody crows about it, except perhaps a few crusty old typesetters who spent their whole life trying to get it right.
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Here's one for all you mongolots who don't bother to learn the language when coming to Switzerland. Would like to see this story in the Mail Online...[/URL]
You do mean monoglot, don't you?
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Old 01.12.2017, 12:07
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

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You do mean monoglot, don't you?
No, it´s the collective noun for Ghengis Kahn´s Mongol hoards.
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Old 01.12.2017, 12:40
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

Personally, I feel that article was written in simplified English in order to communicate with its B1-level readers.
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Old 01.12.2017, 14:04
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Personally, I feel that article was written in simplified English in order to communicate with its B1-level readers.
Well, it is from The Local after all.
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

is simplified German the same as talking in layman's terms?
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

"Simplified" German is a dumb idea and is making a mockery of the language. Just send info in German. Or if people are complaining or can't understand, then use sign language.

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"Simplified" German is a dumb idea and is making a mockery of the language. Just send info in German. Or if people are complaining or can't understand, then use sign language.
I find it rather difficult to pull up my pants while sitting down. Washing my hands is no small feat either.
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

Is that anything like Arni German?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06hGUWazcSQ
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You do mean monoglot, don't you?
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No, it´s the collective noun for Ghengis Kahn´s Mongol hoards.
You do mean hordes don't you?
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

Your point is what exactly Loz?

Nowt wrong with making sure everybody understands the information being given, especially in regard to their childrens development. Some people have not lived here long enough to master the local language or might work in international companies so dont need to be fluent but still need to get their children educated. Sometimes Swiss teachers like to communicate in Schweizer Deutsch and not use High German. It all makes perfect sense. I know several Swiss born and bred people, that do not speak German or local dialects yet live and work in Zentral Schweiz.

I think it's a good idea, but of course all immigrants, whether they are working in an international firm or here for other reasons should make an effort to learn the local lingo.
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Re: Swiss primary school adopts ‘simplified’ German to communicate with parents

Some of it sounds pretty sensible, normal best practice for communication - putting main points on separate lines is not "simple", rather that the opposite is poor.

Some of the other stuff like breaking up compound nouns seems a bit over the top - parents can always do that with a pen themselves, it's good practice!

Keeping it short is good though - worst case, it's less to type into Google...

And not making assumptions about local knowledge that only parent who went to the same school as kids have a clue about.

And really really not trying to write in phonetic Swiss German like it's some dodgy WhatsApp message.
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