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Old 24.05.2018, 19:48
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Child poverty and sexual abuse in Switzerland

Outrageous, Switzerland is apparently above the global average but 250,000 children live in Poverty.

18% of the child population is subject to sexual abuse, 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 10 boys.

The figures came from this article in swissinfo (towards the bottom)

I find this to be shocking beyond belief ..
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Re: Child poverty and sexual abuse in Switzerland

Some Registers of Perpetrators, for example for teachers convicted of sexually abusing children, are cantonal, and data-protection laws are used to protect the perpetrator's privacy, too.

In this way, some perpetrators, can move to another canton and continue working in their profession, and continue to have easy access to children.

Besides that, there seems to be a strange notion (I'm not claiming that this is Swiss, in particular) that "a little bit is not really so bad". Some years ago, a Swiss teacher was found to have a lot of child pornography on his school pc. The school wanted to dismiss him instantly, but the parents (!) drew up a petition asking that he be kept on at the school because he was "such a good teacher" and besides, he'd been only looking and not touching. There was too little awareness that "only looking" was, in fact, consuming (and thereby supporting the business of) how other adults really did rape those children they were filming.

Apart from teachers, sports coaches, church officers, etc., sexual abuse in families is hard to report.

I listened to a teenage girl who explained to me that she had researched the criminality of what her father was doing, and his and her permit status, etc., and she said she had understood clearly that, were she to repot his abuse of her, it would set off a cascade of procedures which would end up meaning that she, too, would have to leave the country before she turned 18. And then she'd be abandoned to him for the rest of her life. She said that it'd be better for her to endure, and do everything she could to naturalise as Swiss, as soon as possible, and then sever the ties. It was a very hard choice.
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Re: Child poverty and sexual abuse in Switzerland

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18% of the child population is subject to sexual abuse, 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 10 boys.
You read that incorrectly.

Children make up 18% of the population.

10% of boys is 5%, 20% of girls would be 8%, 5+8 = 13, not 18.

Also, I would like to see their sources for these claims.

Seeing as their math is bad from the start, it is clear that the rest is rubbish.

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I find this to be shocking beyond belief ..
And I find it to be BS beyond belief.

Think that I will check out Snopes.

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Old 24.05.2018, 21:08
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You read that incorrectly.

Children make up 18% of the population.

10% of boys is 5%, 20% of girls would be 8%, 5+8 = 13, not 18.

Also, I would like to see their sources for these claims.

Seeing as their math is bad from the start, it is clear that the rest is rubbish.

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Where do they have bad math?
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Re: Child poverty and sexual abuse in Switzerland

250.000 Swiss children live in poverty?

What is the definition of Poverty

The country has a population of 8.372 million.
18% are children meaning 1.5Million

So 1 out of every 6 kids lives in poverty?

And I find 1 out of 10 boys and 1 out of 5 girls getting abused every year tbh to high to believe. This is close to the Dutch numbers for example, only they go for the entire life up to 18 year, Which would make the Swiss numbers much higher unless it's the same ones getting abused every year which I find very hard to believe.
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Old 24.05.2018, 21:13
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Re: Child poverty and sexual abuse in Switzerland

How does the UN measure sexual abuse?

I do doubt the numbers, especially the poverty ones
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Old 24.05.2018, 21:19
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Where do they have bad math?
8% + 5% = 13%, not 18%.

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8% + 5% = 13%, not 18%.

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You might want to read this again

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Children in Switzerland—18% of the population—are also abused at alarming rates. Every year, one in five girls and one in ten boys are sexually abused.
They do not say that 18% of the kids or population gets disabused, they say that kids make up for 18% of the population.
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They do not say that 18% of the kids or population gets disabused, they say that kids make up for 18% of the population.
Well the OP certainly read it that way
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18% of the child population is subject to sexual abuse, 1 in 5 girls and 1 in 10 boys.
and the original wording is chosen to make it look like that, so if not their maths, then certainly poor, or deliberately misleading, reporting, which is possibly worse.

More importantly, they say that CH is 'better than the global average' but don't give any figures for comparison, so they're just being alarmist, IMO. I'd be interested to see an unbiased report with comparisons to other countries' rates, but I agree with Tom, this is just BS.
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What is the definition of Poverty
According to this, the Swiss statistics office
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...defines poverty as being unable to pay for the “goods and services necessary for a socially integrated life” which in 2015 applied to those with a monthly income below 2,239 francs for a single person or 3,984 for two adults and two children.
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Switzerland is hampered by its federalism. The cantons are all-powerful. There is no specific national body dedicated to the protection of children and their rights.
It doesn't have to a national body. Instead a sharing of information - like Schengen is for Europe.
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Old 24.05.2018, 23:29
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Re: Child poverty and sexual abuse in Switzerland

Caritas said 2017 (only German or French) that every 8th child in Switzerland either lives in poverty or is threatened by the possibility.

That's a lot. Shouldn't there be an official survey on admin.ch about this somewhere? (I didn't find anything).

Also I would like to know what is poverty in Switzerland? I'm sure it is not as life-threatening as poverty in let's say Peru? Therefore it doesn't make sense to me to compare countries.
If every 5th child lives in poverty here, for a country like this that is 20% too many, no?
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According to this, the Swiss statistics office.......
Thanks. Why is this only in French though?

Correction. Here it is in English (2015)

There is an other thing to be considered: Does that mean, these people living in poverty get social-money (which would explain why it is well known) in addition to their low income? It is their right to get it here. Only some people have inhibitions to demand it. Well, that was the case in the old days for sure, don't know about now.
In that case, living in poverty in Peru is definitely a completely different story!

What we call "working poor" here is an increasing problem.
Sorry, I keep adding to the same post.
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Thanks. Why is this only in French though?

Correction. Here it is in English (2015)

There is an other thing to be considered: Does that mean, these people living in poverty get social-money (which would explain why it is well known) in addition to their low income? It is their right to get it here. Only some people have inhibitions to demand it. Well, that was the case in the old days for sure, don't know about now.
In that case, living in poverty in Peru is definitely a completely different story!

What we call "working poor" here is an increasing problem.
Sorry, I keep adding to the same post.
Poverty here is when you are under the limit that they deem needed to lead a normal social life. So if you make 3.800,- with a family of 4 you are under the limit, and likely have to little money to put the kids on football and enjoy a holiday even tho there is food in the fridge and a telly in the living room so you are one of the poverty cases.
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Old 25.05.2018, 00:23
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Poverty here is when you are under the limit that they deem needed to lead a normal social life. So if you make 3.800,- with a family of 4 you are under the limit, and likely have to little money to put the kids on football and enjoy a holiday even tho there is food in the fridge and a telly in the living room so you are one of the poverty cases.
No idea where you take your numbers from.
A single mother with one child's Armutgrenze is at sFr. 3547.00.

There are different categories here for "Existenzminimum". There is the "betreibungsrechtliche Existenzminimum" for example which is different (higher). So depending on what the problem is, the same person can - by law - have a different "Existenzminimum". Etc. etc. Sozialhilfe (most follow SKOS) is again an other thing.

However, I did not ponder numbers in Switzerland in my post, I know very well about budgets and extras (and loopholes ) when it comes to people in need.
All I mused about was that people living in poverty in Switzerland are not as life-threatened as in for example Peru.
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No idea where you take your numbers from.
A single mother with one child's Armutgrenze is at sFr. 3547.00.
Have a look at the higher amounts used for a family of 4 in your link

I remembered this one from some time ago http://www.20min.ch/schweiz/news/sto...onat--29842711

(And I never said 3.800,- was the limit )
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All I mused about was that people living in poverty in Switzerland are not as life-threatened as in for example Peru.
True, poverty is relative. Here it means not being able to do what you need/want. There it means That your kids and small children live in your home since they cannot find a job and thus an independent life is impossible.
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Re: Child poverty and sexual abuse in Switzerland

Poverty in Switzerland means no vacations because there is no money, so never having stayed in a hotel, for example; or having to regularly pick up food from a food bank because there isn't enough income for that; or shopping at Caritas shops, or have kind people financially help with purchasing basic clothing.
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shopping at Caritas shops
Actually, Caritas and Emmaus are two of my wife's favorite places to shop!

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Actually, Caritas and Emmaus are two of my wife's favorite places to shop!

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Yes, they can be fun when one is looking for something functional at a fraction of the price, or something quirky that has long ceased to be produced. Brockenhäuser are wonderful. As are tutti and anibis. Especially if one can wait, and go back another day if they don't have what one wants or needs, today. And if one can afford the transport, to get there again.

The poorer one is, the more the Brockenhäuser, and perhaps fleamarkets, clothing exchange days, tutti or anibis and so on, become the ONLY options. Then, it's a different thing from fun and adventure.

With children, it's even more stressful, especially with regard to getting their clothing and shoes as they grow (so fast). If they happen to be in a school in which the other children regard designer clothes as the minimum, it can be really hard, psychologically, for those who don't fulfil that standard. Some parents, and some children, have, or manage to develop, the self-esteem to dismiss the teasing and condecension, but it can be difficult.
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