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Not day one, and not choosing the president or things like that. But why not the local elections? I live in this gemeinde of 500 people since X years ago, paying tax, contributing,... Why shouldn't I have a say on my representatives after some years?
Get your C

the Netherlands has no other restriction than having to be in the country for 5 years or when one has a EU nationality no restrictions at al besides living there and being above 18 when it comes to local elections. I find this ridiculous tbh.
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Old 28.05.2018, 15:41
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25% of the Swiss population are foreigners; it is unfair that the views of such a very large group are ignored and this will sooner or later lead to problems.
If they have been here 10 years or more they can apply for citizenship and can then vote. What's the problem?

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There is also the view "no taxation without representation" which led to the formation of the US; for better or for worse!
Those were citizens/permanent-residents of the country/colony. They were land owners, had a vested interest, etc. You can't seriously compare them to "guest workers" who move countries every couple of years
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Old 28.05.2018, 15:43
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Why shouldn't I have a say on my representatives after some years?
Because they aren't your representatives, they are those of your Swiss neighbors.

Very few places in the world allow non-citizens to vote.

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Old 28.05.2018, 15:53
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25% of the Swiss population are foreigners; it is unfair that the views of such a very large group are ignored and this will sooner or later lead to problems.
According to national statistics roughly half of them meet the basic criteria for naturalisation (10 years residency, permit C).

Obviously it's not worth it to them. It's their choice, and choices have consequences.
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There is also the view "no taxation without representation" which led to the formation of the US; for better or for worse!
This is on Switzerland not on the US, do try to stay on topic
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Old 28.05.2018, 15:55
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If they have been here 10 years or more they can apply for citizenship and can then vote. What's the problem?


Those were citizens/permanent-residents of the country/colony. They were land owners, had a vested interest, etc. You can't seriously compare them to "guest workers" who move countries every couple of years
OK, so you believe anybody with a residence permit and also being a Swiss property owner should have the right to vote. Good!
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Old 28.05.2018, 16:00
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OK, so you believe anybody with a residence permit and also being a Swiss property owner should have the right to vote. Good!
He said permanent residence
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Old 28.05.2018, 16:07
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He said permanent residence
What is PERMANENT RESIDENCE?
The primary residence (home) of an entity, party, individual at a situated address.

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That is why I added the condition being a Swiss property owner
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Old 28.05.2018, 16:08
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OK, so you believe anybody with a residence permit and also being a Swiss property owner should have the right to vote. Good!
Yes, if somebody has been living in Switzerland 5+ years and is a land/property owner, then I would say they have a vested interest in how the country is run. Put it up for a referendum, as a Swiss citizen, I will vote on it positively. However, I imagine Liberals would be against it and say it's discriminatory against poor people who can't afford to buy property here (one of which I would also be)
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Old 28.05.2018, 16:35
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Yes, if somebody has been living in Switzerland 5+ years and is a land/property owner, then I would say they have a vested interest in how the country is run. Put it up for a referendum, as a Swiss citizen, I will vote on it positively. However, I imagine Liberals would be against it and say it's discriminatory against poor people who can't afford to buy property here (one of which I would also be)
Naaa, your liberals will vote no because who's not Swiss, does not vote in Switzerland.

I have a new suggestion: Why bother moving here? We got enough money to send out ballots to the entire global population four times a year plus to have them translated in ..... hang on, Nigeria alone has 120 languages ..... however, all the languages required.
As we like to be unique, this would definitely do the job.
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Old 28.05.2018, 16:48
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Naaa, your liberals will vote no because who's not Swiss, does not vote in Switzerland.

I have a new suggestion: Why bother moving here? We got enough money to send out ballots to the entire global population four times a year plus to have them translated in ..... hang on, Nigeria alone has 120 languages ..... however, all the languages required.
As we like to be unique, this would definitely do the job.
There are several places in Switzerland that allow foreigners to vote; useful list here.

The Canton of Neuchâtel has allowed foreigners to vote in municipal elections since 1849. On 24 April 2005, 52.3% of voters in the Canton of Geneva approved an initiative granting voting rights at municipal level to foreigners
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Old 28.05.2018, 16:59
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There are several places in Switzerland that allow foreigners to vote; useful list here.

The Canton of Neuchâtel has allowed foreigners to vote in municipal elections since 1849. On 24 April 2005, 52.3% of voters in the Canton of Geneva approved an initiative granting voting rights at municipal level to foreigners
That's good then. As usual, there is a choice here.
All ya gotta do is move to the canton that offers everything your heart desires.
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What is PERMANENT RESIDENCE?
The primary residence (home) of an entity, party, individual at a situated address.

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That is why I added the condition being a Swiss property owner
Permit C, the Swiss law leaves no room for interpretation on this.
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Trump ran a campaign that was a mirror to Adolf Hitlers campaign and this is something to be admired?

I really need to get TF out this country.

Dont worry about the door hitting me on the way out, I'm knocking that bi#%h off its hinges.
I don't know if this is related to doropfiz quote or mine.
I agree with you that trump used political mechanisms that were used also by Hitler. But ehm, so did every other political party at the corners of the political spectrum and no only in switzerland. It really is sad and nothing thats admired in Switzerland, at least if you ignore comments on 20min and blick.ch.

If your Statement was addressed at me. I didn't write that the commons SVP voter liked the way the campaign was run, they just like the Idea of
"of putting the country's interests before any influences from outside"

I hope you feel better now
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Re: Why is SVP popular?

fascism is the combination of government and private companies. Right wing parties are for small government. Therefore fascism is a LEFT WING IDEAL. CORPORATE WELFARE = FASCISM.
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Old 28.05.2018, 18:46
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Not day one, and not choosing the president or things like that. But why not the local elections? I live in this gemeinde of 500 people since X years ago, paying tax, contributing,... Why shouldn't I have a say on my representatives after some years?
When you came, you know this was the case. You came nevertheless.
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fascism is the combination of government and private companies. Right wing parties are for small government. Therefore fascism is a LEFT WING IDEAL. CORPORATE WELFARE = FASCISM.
Corporate welfare is a term used to describe a government's gifts of money grants, tax breaks, or other special favorable treatment for corporations.

So Trump is a closet liberal, who knew?
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Old 28.05.2018, 18:49
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Because they aren't your representatives, they are those of your Swiss neighbors.

Very few places in the world allow non-citizens to vote.

Tom
Actually, a vote is just that, one vote among millions.

But nobody is preventing you from talking about politics and influencing people. You can change much more that way.

I'm not aware that any political party, not even the SVP, demand proof of citizenship when you join.
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Old 28.05.2018, 19:12
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I don't know if this is related to doropfiz quote or mine.
I agree with you that trump used political mechanisms that were used also by Hitler. But ehm, so did every other political party at the corners of the political spectrum and no only in switzerland. It really is sad and nothing thats admired in Switzerland, at least if you ignore comments on 20min and blick.ch.
I think this is due to political bias in the media.

I know plenty of Swiss, who even if they don't outright admire Trump, have some good things to say about him. Such opinions don't get reflected in the media however.
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Old 28.05.2018, 19:18
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Expats who come somewhere to work are diverse in their interest and thus diverse in political interest, refugees and students mainly vote (like most people) for their own interest bringing them to the left party's since they do not force them to work by maintaining an incredible generous welfare system or give them as cheap as possible housing/healthcare and whatever.

In the Netherlands there are numerous situations where it gives a higher Nett income by staying in social welfare above accepting a job. living on welfare is almost considered a profession on its own in the Netherlands.
This is only a transitional thing. No honeymoon can last forever.

The politicians find some other group they can make a fuss over and lavish money on, and yesterday's favourite underdog will feel left out and cut short on funds. For some of them that triggers a re-asssment of the situation. Especially if they weren't ever really left wing in the first place but just went along with the game because of free stuff.
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I'm not aware that any political party, not even the SVP, demand proof of citizenship when you join.
Not sure if they check but the SVP accepts Swiss citizens only according to their statutes.
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