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Old 31.05.2018, 23:58
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Senate rejects ban on foreign funding for Swiss mosques

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https://www.thelocal.ch/20180530/sen...-swiss-mosques


The Swiss senate on Tuesday on Tuesday voted against a motion calling for foreign funding of mosques in the country to be banned.
Politicians in the upper house voted 29 to 7 against the proposal which had narrowly passed through the lower house Council of States.
The motion had been put forward by Lorenzo Quadri, a senator for the right-wing Ticino League party in Switzerland’s Italian-speaking canton of Ticino.

The proposal, modelled on rules already in place in Austria, would also have seen imams required to preach in a Swiss national language while compelling Islamic centres to disclose the origin of any funding.
With the motion, Quadri had targeted some 35 mosques and Islamic centres in Switzerland reportedly funded by the Turkish government with the money being used to spread radical Islam, Swiss news portal 20 Minuten reported.


But Switzerland’s seven-member Federal Council had said the motion was discriminatory and rejected the comparison with Austria saying rules in that country came in the context of bolstered official recognition for Austria's Muslims.


The Swiss executive noted, however, that no Swiss canton had officially recognised Islam and it was unfair to impose rules without offering rights. Green senator Robert Cramer also noted the motion could impinge on religious freedoms and the right to free assembly.


A Swiss Islam?

The Swiss Socialist Party (SP) demanded in a recent strategy paper that Islam be recognised officially in Switzerland as long as equality between sexes was guaranteed, the secular state was recognised, financial transparency was assured, and independence from foreign countries existed.


In return, Islamic communities should have the right to collect taxes like the official churches in Switzerland as well as to provide pastoral care in prisons, hospitals and the army.
"We need a Swiss Islam," said SP president Christian Levrat of the plan set to be discussed at an upcoming party summit.
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Re: Senate rejects ban on foreign funding for Swiss mosques

Real disgusting the current state of Europe. Boomer liberalism has completely sold out their childrens future. The SP's Neo-Marxist policies have completely changed the Swiss cities. Next these "Refugees" will be demanding Sharia Law to be enforced. Haha, not soo far away on this route.
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Re: Senate rejects ban on foreign funding for Swiss mosques

Two thoughts;

I believe christian churches are banned in Saudi Arabia. No Saudi money for mosques in Switzerland should be permitted until that changes.

Church (mosques, synagogues etc) need to be fully split from the State. The only mention should be is the people are free to believe whatever they want and nobody else is permitted to interfere with that right.
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Two thoughts;

I believe christian churches are banned in Saudi Arabia. No Saudi money for mosques in Switzerland should be permitted until that changes.

Church (mosques, synagogues etc) need to be fully split from the State. The only mention should be is the people are free to believe whatever they want and nobody else is permitted to interfere with that right.

Good luck getting the Muslamic Raygun to go with that.
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I am sorry, but I have no idea what that is, and why their agreement would be necessary.

I wouldn't oppose an outright ban on religions, but that won't work. But all state support for religion should end now.
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Old 10.07.2018, 20:37
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Re: Senate rejects ban on foreign funding for Swiss mosques

Islam is a religion of peace.
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Islam is a religion of peace.
Piece of what?

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Old 10.07.2018, 23:11
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Two thoughts;

I believe christian churches are banned in Saudi Arabia. No Saudi money for mosques in Switzerland should be permitted until that changes .
So... sinking to their level is better than leading by example?

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Church (mosques, synagogues etc) need to be fully split from the State. The only mention should be is the people are free to believe whatever they want and nobody else is permitted to interfere with that right.
Sure, banning all church taxes makes sense to me as an atheist, but as an atheist I don’t pay any anyway.... surely if other religions are able to claim ‘church’ tax then just just makes Switzerland a more multicultural society... important when practically 1/4 of the people who live here are foreigners.
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Pieces of what?

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Re: Senate rejects ban on foreign funding for Swiss mosques

India rejects AIMPLB proposal to open Sharia courts across country

Irrespective of modern in-vogue 'political correctness' no religion / ethnic group should be allowed to overstep the bounds of the local constitutional laws in the name of 'religious freedom'.

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Re: Senate rejects ban on foreign funding for Swiss mosques

Sigh... terrible decision. It will simply open the floodgates for dirty money from the overseas Islamic draconian regimes that we all know and love to fund Islam as a religious power in Switzerland. It may take a decade, or three, or more until it gets a foothold but eventually it will happen and then it will be too late to stop it.

One can only hope that Switzerland will be extremely strict with allowing planning permission for new mosques, and to ensure that those that are allowed are as discreet as possible.
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Re: Senate rejects ban on foreign funding for Swiss mosques

Why did this thread get bumped?
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Why did this thread get bumped?
What does it matter to you? It's only a month and a half old so still relevant news and people are free to comment.
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Re: Senate rejects ban on foreign funding for Swiss mosques

Lol... all you petty fascists think you can stop Kemal and his mates praying in the spare room and buying a few copies of the Koran with money sent by Uncle Mehmet?

Good luck with that.
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What does it matter to you? It's only a month and a half old so still relevant news and people are free to comment.
Just seems odd that that no one commented first time around and now it's been reawakened.
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Just seems odd that that no one commented first time around and now it's been reawakened.
A thread getting no replies and then being replied to a month or so later is hardly an event of note and not worth wasting any further time discussing.
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Two thoughts;

I believe christian churches are banned in Saudi Arabia. No Saudi money for mosques in Switzerland should be permitted until that changes.

Church (mosques, synagogues etc) need to be fully split from the State. The only mention should be is the people are free to believe whatever they want and nobody else is permitted to interfere with that right.
If Saudi Arabia spoke for all muslims everywhere, you may be in danger of having a valid point.

Agree that religion and the state should be separated. But you try and see how that goes. Ironically, i think muslims wouldn't object to that solution.

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I am sorry, but I have no idea what that is, and why their agreement would be necessary.

I wouldn't oppose an outright ban on religions, but that won't work. But all state support for religion should end now.
It should, but it wont. people are too wedded to this idea that the christian churches should be state-supported. as long as that glaring misalignment exists, this discussion will keep dragging on.

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Sigh... terrible decision. It will simply open the floodgates for dirty money from the overseas Islamic draconian regimes that we all know and love to fund Islam as a religious power in Switzerland. It may take a decade, or three, or more until it gets a foothold but eventually it will happen and then it will be too late to stop it.

One can only hope that Switzerland will be extremely strict with allowing planning permission for new mosques, and to ensure that those that are allowed are as discreet as possible.
No it wont. It just means the situation wont change from the way it is today. Have you got any evidence of this impending doom of Islam being funded to become a 'religious power' (whatever that is)?

Mosques are already fairly discreet, and usually no different to their surroundings. Churches, on the other hand...
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It should, but it wont. people are too wedded to this idea that the christian churches should be state-supported. as long as that glaring misalignment exists, this discussion will keep dragging on.
CH is a Christian country.
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CH is a Christian country.
There is no such thing as "a Christian country".
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CH is a Christian country.
And?

What has that got to do with churches being state-supported?

Switzerland is also known for Toblerone. I dont recall the government supporting the chocolate/almond industry.
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