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SVP self-determination initiative

Any ideas. Yes. No.Undecided.

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Old 12.10.2018, 19:37
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Re: SVP self-determination initiative

Yes, of course.

Same as most everybody around here.

Probably won't pass up north, though, as they have all become a bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys.

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Re: SVP self-determination initiative

It is worthless without the link to basic information.
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It is worthless without the link to basic information.
Except for those of us who know what it's about.

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Old 12.10.2018, 19:45
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Except for those of us who know what it's about.

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I have no idea as I live in an expat’s bubble and have no insider news from parallel universe
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It is worthless without the link to basic information.


https://www.humanrights.ch/en/switze...e-human-rights
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Old 12.10.2018, 19:53
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Re: SVP self-determination initiative

The Swiss judge is "Helen Keller".

The jokes write themselves. Except in her case of course...
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Old 12.10.2018, 19:56
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Re: SVP self-determination initiative

It cannot be good then ...

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The Self-Determination Initiative is an attack on the Swiss legal system. The effects of it on the Swiss legal system would be extremely serious, since the initiative would endanger individual basic rights, legal certainty, stability and prosperity in Switzerland for decades to come. The possible chaos resulting from it can be seen in the present problems connected to Brexit. But unlike the UK, Switzerland would not terminate agreements with just one partner — all agreements with all countries would be in danger.
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The Swiss judge is "Helen Keller".

The jokes write themselves. Except in her case of course...
Yes, I really had to check out if that was a joke when I saw that the other day.

Then again, justice is blind (or so they say)

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Old 12.10.2018, 20:36
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Re: SVP self-determination initiative

Tom, can you expand more upon why you will vote yes? I've not made up my mind but as I'm in the land of "cheese-eating surrender monkeys" it would be good to get a different point of view.
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Old 12.10.2018, 21:10
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The Self-Determination Initiative is an attack on the Swiss legal system. The effects of it on the Swiss legal system would be extremely serious, since the initiative would endanger individual basic rights, legal certainty, stability and prosperity in Switzerland for decades to come. The possible chaos resulting from it can be seen in the present problems connected to Brexit. But unlike the UK, Switzerland would not terminate agreements with just one partner — all agreements with all countries would be in danger.
I know that you did not write it, but what a bunch of rubbish.

If I would be allowed to vote I'd be pro SVP on this.

A whole bunch of rules and rights that are granted to people are not to be cancelled and SVP knows this and already told long ago that this is not about the basic rights that we all have and keep without any change. But to keep EU jurisdiction out of the door and to allow Switzerland to have an independent national legal system where it is the Swiss who set the rules.

All these international institutions like EU and UN have been introduced with good meanings and good purposes, but they are no longer what they have been made for, they have become independent molochs who deny clarity on how they rule and work and they want to make themselves bigger and more important by self expending their responsibilities into fields that they never were ment to deal with. This is just another example of them attempting to make themselves bigger than they should be.

They can go to hell.
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Re: SVP self-determination initiative

I'd vote no. But I can't vote, so you're all right there.
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Old 12.10.2018, 23:16
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Tom, can you expand more upon why you will vote yes?
Simple: I always vote against the EU (or, mostly, not sure if always).

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Simple: I always vote against the EU (or, mostly, not sure if always).

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Yes. That makes alot of sense.
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Re: SVP self-determination initiative

If I only could go to polls, I would vote either “yes” or “no” and not “maybe” for sure.

When in Suisse, do as the Swiss do
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I always vote against the SVP. Saves reading the text.

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Re: SVP self-determination initiative

Giving the government no room to manoeuvre and instead forcing them to break bilateral deals can't be a good idea. If this was in force back in 2014 when Einwanderung Initiative was voted in, my understanding is that Switzerland would have had to implement Einwanderung fully and lose free movement and probably end up in Swixit.

In that case half of us would be out on our Asses by now.
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I always vote against the SVP. Saves reading the text.
Pretty safe to go against whatever is proposed or recommended by (at least) racists
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I always vote against the SVP. Saves reading the text.
I don't follow the SVP, actually, they are an insignificant party around here.

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Giving the government no room to manoeuvre and instead forcing them to break bilateral deals can't be a good idea. If this was in force back in 2014 when Einwanderung Initiative was voted in, my understanding is that Switzerland would have had to implement Einwanderung fully and lose free movement and probably end up in Swixit.
That was, in fact, the intention back then.

Pity that the govenrment failed to implement it correctly.

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