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80-year-old woman in Basel defends herself!

https://www.msn.com/de-ch/nachrichte...cid=spartanntp

An 80-year-old was coming home from doing her shopping in Basel when, just as she reached her door, a 40-year-old Swiss man threatened her with a knife, demanding that she hand over her wallet. She, however, defended herself so strongly that he got a big surprise and ran away.

After that, she phoned the police. Because she was able to describe him accurately, the police arrested him very soon afterwards.

Well done to the woman, and to the police!
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Old 04.11.2018, 18:34
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No reason to applaud such silliness, she could have easily lost her life for pocket money. NEVER fight back, they would have gotten the guy from her description all the same after all. It's insane to risk your life unarmed against a criminal with a knife for a silly wallet.


She's lucky this is CH. If it was NY or London chances are the perp would have gutted her like a fish. You can find plenty of stories where things ended in the opposite way, victim dead and perp never found.


If she was your own mom would you have raised this thread in such fanfare or would be yelling at her?


Well done to the police though, for catching him so fast.
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Re: 80-year-old woman in Basel defends herself!

If my mother or grandmother had this much gumption, and succeeded, as this woman did, I'd be impressed.

Whether or not my mother or grandmother had submitted, or defended herself, either way it would be a shocking experience for her, so I definitely would not be yelling at her.

Yes, I do know the advice not to fight back, and just to give up, and surrender one's gumption and wallet. It is probably wise, and indeed, what I would most likely do in such a situation, I think.

Even so, just the thought that this woman could have given the much younger man such a fright that he ran away…. somehow puts a smile on my face. And that she was so sovereign as to be able to describe him properly, too, when many people are poor at this… oh, I just find her impressive.
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Sorry if I was too harsh, it is a good story yes and good for her.


But encouraging such behaviors is the wrong thing to do and did my part to highlight it.


Tough nut this grandma
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Re: 80-year-old woman in Basel defends herself!

The news article is a bit vague - maybe she was inspired by this story, and gave the would-be robber a surprise indeed:

https://www.wtvy.com/content/news/I-...491031401.html
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No reason to applaud such silliness, she could have easily lost her life for pocket money. NEVER fight back, they would have gotten the guy from her description all the same after all. It's insane to risk your life unarmed against a criminal with a knife for a silly wallet.


She's lucky this is CH. If it was NY or London chances are the perp would have gutted her like a fish. You can find plenty of stories where things ended in the opposite way, victim dead and perp never found.


If she was your own mom would you have raised this thread in such fanfare or would be yelling at her?


Well done to the police though, for catching him so fast.
What she should have done is irrelevant, she is an 80 year old woman, likely not mentally at her fittest, and her instinct in that fight of flight situation was to stand up for herself, which she did successfully without being hurt. That should always be applauded regardless if it is the 'wisest' reaction or not.
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What she should have done is irrelevant, she is an 80 year old woman, likely not mentally at her fittest, and her instinct in that fight of flight situation was to stand up for herself, which she did successfully without being hurt. That should always be applauded regardless if it is the 'wisest' reaction or not.
You don't know anything about her mental capacity though. The fact that she could give a detailed description of her assailant suggests that she might have quite good mental fitness. At least good short term memory.
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Re: 80-year-old woman in Basel defends herself!

The grandmother of one of my colleagues lives on a remote farm in South Africa. One time, she picked up a hitchhiker, who pulled a knife on her and made her pull over. Then he demanded she give him her money, so she reached into her handbag, pulled out revolver and shot him dead.

The gun was a souvenir from when she worked for the SOE behind enemy lines during WW2.

The police told her off for having an unregistered weapon, so she duly registered it.
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You don't know anything about her mental capacity though. The fact that she could give a detailed description of her assailant suggests that she might have quite good mental fitness. At least good short term memory.
Exactly- my dad was as sharp as anything till the day he died aged 96!
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You don't know anything about her mental capacity though. The fact that she could give a detailed description of her assailant suggests that she might have quite good mental fitness. At least good short term memory.
Read in context, edot. Obviously I am talking about her ability to make rapid logical decisions in very tense situations, not that she is an idiot. The chances are that at 80 a persons mental faculties and agility are reduced (though naturally every EF member's aged family are sharp as a button even at 145 years old, so everyone else must be too).
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Read in context, edot. Obviously I am talking about her ability to make rapid logical decisions in very tense situations, not that she is an idiot. The chances are that at 80 a persons mental faculties and agility are reduced (though of course every EF members aged family are sharp as a button, so everyone else must be too).
Yup. Old people are all doddery, addled and thick as pigshit.

Meanwhile, back in the real world...
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Read in context, edot. Obviously I am talking about her ability to make rapid logical decisions in very tense situations, not that she is an idiot. The chances are that at 80 a persons mental faculties are reduced (though of course every EF members aged family are sharp as a button).
No, it wasn’t obvious at all.

I never suggested you thought she was an idiot, btw. I don’t believe you can reliably make such a judgement about reasoning and reaction without knowing more about the person in question’s cognitive abilities. Short term memory is a pretty good indication.

I don’t think logic is necessarily age dependent.
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I don’t think logic is necessarily age dependent.
It's Richdog's favourite word.

Do you know Viz magazine? There was a character in that who was very reminiscent of EF's own "Mr Logic".
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No, it wasn’t obvious at all.

I never suggested you thought she was an idiot, btw. I don’t believe you can reliably make such a judgement about reasoning and reaction without knowing more about the person in question’s cognitive abilities. Short term memory is a pretty good indication.

I don’t think logic is necessarily age dependent.
Of course you can make assumptions based on averages. The average 80 year old is not going to be as mentally agile as they were 20-30 years before, and 80 is still considered old age and the average life expectancy for women. It's a subjective and pedantic discussion you're engaging in to so lets not waste any more time on it.
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Of course you can make assumptions based on averages. The average 80 year old is not going to be as mentally agile as they were 20-30 years before, and 80 is still considered old age and the average life expectancy for women. It's a subjective and pedantic discussion you're engaging in to so lets not waste any more time on it.
Go on then, Alan. Where's your evidence?

Or is it just "logic"?
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Of course you can make assumptions based on averages. The average 80 year old is not going to be as mentally agile as they were 20-30 years before, and 80 is still considered old age and the average life expectancy for women. It's a subjective and pedantic discussion you're engaging in to so lets not waste any more time on it.
So much prejudice. Ok, let‘s not waste any more time.

You‘re talking averages in the cloud, and yes, it may be true.
I‘m saying that the data in this case - the fact that her short term memory was enough to identify the individual, and she did react quickly is reason to expect minimal if any age related impairment.

So who‘s really subjective here. As you say though, it‘s enough.
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No reason to applaud such silliness, she could have easily lost her life for pocket money. NEVER fight back, they would have gotten the guy from her description all the same after all. It's insane to risk your life unarmed against a criminal with a knife for a silly wallet.


She's lucky this is CH. If it was NY or London chances are the perp would have gutted her like a fish. You can find plenty of stories where things ended in the opposite way, victim dead and perp never found.


If she was your own mom would you have raised this thread in such fanfare or would be yelling at her?


Well done to the police though, for catching him so fast.
Well maybe she had just been to the bank and withdrew 10,000CHF for the cousin of her long lost uncle
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What she should have done is irrelevant, she is an 80 year old woman, likely not mentally at her fittest, and her instinct in that fight of flight situation was to stand up for herself, which she did successfully without being hurt. That should always be applauded regardless if it is the 'wisest' reaction or not.
Typical use of hindsight.

Had she been hurt you'd be the first to post something like "She called for it. Perhaps that'll teach her to hand over her purse next time".
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Typical use of hindsight.

Had she been hurt you'd be the first to post something like "She called for it. Perhaps that'll teach her to hand over her purse next time".
As always Urs, your emotional intelligence is akin to a lump of granite.

It was Troubleawesome who was criticizing the old woman for reacting the way she did (fighting back), I was 100% defending her reaction and saying she should be applauded and forgiven for necessarily doing the wisest thing. Don't worry, I am sure one day you will learn to read basic context.
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As always Urs, your emotional intelligence is akin to a lump of granite.
LOL, coming from you that's rather funny.

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It was Troubleawesome who was criticizing the old woman for reacting the way she did (fighting back), I was 100% defending her reaction and saying she should be applauded and forgiven for necessarily doing the wisest thing. Don't worry, I am sure one day you will learn to read basic context.
Full score, captain Obvious. At least part of the reason you applaud her is because she did so without getting hurt. While this may be news to you that's commonly termed hindsight.
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