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Old 09.11.2018, 08:54
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Re: Initiative: statutory basis for monitoring claimants

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The logic behind this is pretty clear if you read the explanatory document. Basically in the time from 2010 to 2016 they investigated about 150 IV and about a dozen SUVA cases. About two thirds were found to be fraudulent.
Like I say. DDR mentality! Why dont they go after those who are REALLY stealing from the people.Because they are sitting in the Government!
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Old 09.11.2018, 08:58
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Like I say. DDR mentality! Why dont they go after those who are REALLY stealing from the people.Because they are sitting in the Government!
Why not go after both? Those defrauding social security are also stealing from us.
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Old 09.11.2018, 09:17
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Why not go after both? Those defrauding social security are also stealing from us.
They go after the weak and socially underpriveleged. Thats Switzerland. Soon they will have ears in every house!
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Old 09.11.2018, 10:18
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Why not go after both? Those defrauding social security are also stealing from us.
The point in this discussion/ballot is not whether fraud should be vetted and punished or not.
The point is by whom.
And investigating fraud is the job of the government agencies (police, court) in this country and not by any Tom, Dick and Harry.

Any Tom, Dick and Harry is free to demand an investigation by the official channels any time though.

If only people would not simply fall for punch-lines and actually study in detail what they are asked to decide about.
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Old 14.11.2018, 08:52
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Re: Initiative: statutory basis for monitoring claimants

Yes vote looking very likely

https://www.srf.ch/news/schweiz/abst...zialdetektiven
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Old 14.11.2018, 10:39
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Re: Initiative: statutory basis for monitoring claimants

From what I hear in conversations on this topic, many people don't seem to grasp the consequences of granting the state such wide-spread powers.
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Old 26.11.2018, 14:46
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Re: Initiative: statutory basis for monitoring claimants

And the results were not unexpected: 64.7% for YES, with an attendance rate of 47,5% of voters. Only Jura and Geneva were against it, in particular in bigger cities:

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Why not go after both? Those defrauding social security are also stealing from us.
Indeed. I had to think very long and hard before I voted on this one. There are just too many fraudsters - the system is over-stretched, and must concentrate on those who really need assistance.

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