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Old 14.11.2018, 09:16
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Re: Zurich company illegally supports the European Right

Thank you.
I've seen those (except the BaZ one), it's not what I meant. I meant info on the Swiss side of all this.
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I support the European Right to leave the EU!

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Suspend free trade agreements and return to protectionism and choosing where to buy what and whom to give what. Are you sure about that, Tom?
'cause I totally agree.
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Time to legally support the rights of Europeans!

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That means according them equal rights. It is absurd to assume that taking away someone's right to be legally employed will reduce inequalities within EU. But how EU functions is an ooooold subject. I'm disappointed that people don't get it even if it's repeated over and over and over again. There's no middle way. You want something you give something in exchange, simple. It functions since the beginning of human history.

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Old 14.11.2018, 10:06
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I dare to see things differently

<<Anyone honestly believing the political opponents send them the money as a trap... well that's just stupid>> anyone believing that someone honestly believes that, that's just ...... stupid maybe?
I still continue to refuse putting a fekking emoticon after each and every sentence I post on here.

Treverus got all the logical answers. ROFL.
Well, then, mods you can close the thread - problem solved. German authorities can turn to Treverus should they have additional questions.

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Old 14.11.2018, 20:29
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Thank you.
I've seen those (except the BaZ one), it's not what I meant. I meant info on the Swiss side of all this.
Which crimes were potentially committed from a Swiss POV?
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Old 14.11.2018, 21:15
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Which crimes were potentially committed from a Swiss POV?
That's exactly what I'm wondering about. Are there and which ones?
Is it legal to let anonymous people use your account for transfers? (I was once told by a bank that I'm not even allowed to keep someone elses money in my account for a while )
Is it legal to send out regular amounts to a recipient who is not allowed to receive the total? And obviously do it in little amounts because of that?
Is it legal to support a foreign political party?
Basically, how much can a Swiss citizen do that the official Switzerland definitely couldn't.

I'm curious about these things, when I have the time I will do research but at the moment I'm distracted by other stuff that needs getting done. I was kind of hoping the answers would pop up before I get round to that.
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Old 15.11.2018, 10:14
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That's exactly what I'm wondering about. Are there and which ones?
Money laundering, if even that, IIRC it's the financial institutions that bear the responsibilies. Switzerland has no laws on the financing of political actors, be they domestic or active abroad, thus no law in that regard that can be broken.
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Old 15.11.2018, 10:49
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Money laundering, if even that, IIRC it's the financial institutions that bear the responsibilies. Switzerland has no laws on the financing of political actors, be they domestic or active abroad, thus no law in that regard that can be broken.
Switzerland does have a law that requires people to not disguise the source of money if that money might not have been taxed properly. If somebody asked me to send 15 times 9k to a PEP would I have the hunch I might be supporting something illegal. But that's just me of course...


Meanwhile in the local office of Alice Weidel: "Ooops, did we ever mention that 150k EUR that came from Belgium? Sorry, our bad. Wont happen again. And we did send it back already..."


https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschl...n-alice-weidel
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Old 15.11.2018, 13:37
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Thanks, that was interesting.


<< Since the last election year, 2013, all of Germany's major parties have received sums amounting to over 50,000 euros per year that have not come to light until much later – which means companies and wealthy individuals can easily hide any political influence>>
Normal procedure then

Not to mention the widespread phenomenon of delayed payment - which in Germany is not illegal.

For example ex chancellor Schroeder being hired into a lucrative job at Gazprom after leaving office in return for doing them so many favours, apparently all for free, while in office.
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Old 15.11.2018, 13:43
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In Germany 7,600 fare-dodgers were sent to jail in 2016 for avoiding paying very small amounts.
According to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights it is a breach of human rights to send a person to prison on account of civil debt.

So either your statement is untrue or incomplete or Germany is in breach of international convention.
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Switzerland does have a law that requires people to not disguise the source of money if that money might not have been taxed properly. If somebody asked me to send 15 times 9k to a PEP would I have the hunch I might be supporting something illegal. But that's just me of course...
You are of course free to draw conclusions, that's just not the issue. The issue is if you'd incriminate yourself by forwarding the money.
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Old 15.11.2018, 14:08
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1. I know that 150k does not sound much to some people here. I was a long time ago active in one of the two major political parties of Germany and I can tell you that on a local communal level... that's a lot of money..

hmmm ... so did the money go to support the "European Right" (see thread title) or was it just some communal-level group?
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Old 15.11.2018, 14:11
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On the other hand is she a lesbian living in a relationship with a Swiss woman of Tamil heritage. its so bizarre, I really would not know what to say to her if I ever had the chance.
It sucks, doesn't it, when the so-called far right fails to live up to one's personal pet caricature?
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Old 15.11.2018, 14:46
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According to the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights it is a breach of human rights to send a person to prison on account of civil debt.

So either your statement is untrue or incomplete or Germany is in breach of international convention.
You did not bother to click on the link I provided did you?

From my link "Taking a bus or tram in Germany without a valid ticket is a crime, according to Germany's criminal code" so not just a civil debt.

Here is my link again
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Money laundering, if even that, IIRC it's the financial institutions that bear the responsibilies. Switzerland has no laws on the financing of political actors, be they domestic or active abroad, thus no law in that regard that can be broken.
So the title of this thread is incorrect and could even lead to claims against EF for defamation.

Title should be something like "Right Wing party illegally accepts donations from Zürich company"?
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Old 15.11.2018, 14:55
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You did not bother to click on the link I provided did you?

From my link "Taking a bus or tram in Germany without a valid ticket is a crime, according to Germany's criminal code" so not just a civil debt.

Here is my link again
Same thing. The conditions of carriage and fares enforcement of a transport company are within civil law. It only becomes a criminal case if, for example, you punch the ticket inspector on the nose. If Germany has a law that says otherwise, that law does not override an international human rights agreement.
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Old 16.11.2018, 01:58
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Not to mention the widespread phenomenon of delayed payment - which in Germany is not illegal.

For example ex chancellor Schroeder being hired into a lucrative job at Gazprom after leaving office in return for doing them so many favours, apparently all for free, while in office.
Yep, a friend pointed that out to me too.

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So the title of this thread is incorrect and could even lead to claims against EF for defamation.

Title should be something like "Right Wing party illegally accepts donations from Zürich company"?
Yes. Apparently.
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Old 16.11.2018, 08:57
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hmmm ... so did the money go to support the "European Right" (see thread title) or was it just some communal-level group?

The money went to the personal election campaign of a leader of the European right. Yes, the bookkeeper involved was on a county level, that's how the election system works in Germany. The money was used for social media advertisement to spread hate against immigrants.


The scapegoat, the state level finance dude of the AfD has by now denied the claims and played the ball back to Weidel. He says that it is true that he said to book it as a normal donation, but only after he was assured by Weidel that the donor behind the transaction has German nationality. So much about her not having any idea who sends the money... she does not know the name... but somehow his nationality...


The second donor has for example by now been identified: not Belgium but the Netherlands. An anti-immigration group focused on "European Identity" called «Stichting Identiteit Europa».


The picture by now is pretty clear: The money was not left untouched and only returned after months. There is more than one case... so they simply tried to cover a cash flow problem: They wanted to use more money than they have for the parliament election. To do so did they essentially borrow money and then return it once the next lender or the following budget was available.


Your argument that the constituency of a leader of the European right is only communal is about at stupid as your claim that tax fraud is just a late payment... and not a crime.
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Old 16.11.2018, 12:32
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The money went to the personal election campaign of a leader of the European right. Yes, the bookkeeper involved was on a county level, that's how the election system works in Germany.
When in a hole, stop digging.

So after claiming it was both a local level organization and the "European Right", it is now also the country level.

It can only be one of these. Make up your mind.

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The money was used for social media advertisement to spread hate against immigrants.
So not actually used for party political campaigning?

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The money went to the personal election campaign of a leader of the European right
You can't have it both ways.

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Your argument that the constituency of a leader of the European right is only communal is about at stupid as your claim that tax fraud is just a late payment... and not a crime.
So Weidel is now a leader of the European Right?

Why then is she in the Bundestag and not in the Euro parliament? A bit difficuilt to lead a parliamentary group you're not even part of, isn't it.

You really need to try harder.
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When in a hole, stop digging.

So after claiming it was both a local level organization and the "European Right", it is now also the country level.
I read it as "county" not "country".
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Now it is not only money coming from Switzerland but Belgium and the Netherlands as well.
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