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BasP72 07.05.2019 15:32

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by krlock3 (Post 3066490)
Just check your own forum signature for part of that answer!

This answer is based on your religious belief, not on scientific (debatable !) evidence.

k_and_e 07.05.2019 15:41

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
when thinking about it, the term "climate change" itself is quite misleading. Has the climate ever been constant?

Guest 07.05.2019 15:45

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 3066495)
when thinking about it, the term "climate change" itself is quite misleading. Has the climate ever been constant?

Of course not. And records only go back about 150 years which is why you should take any ďon recordĒ headline with a pinch of salt.

Guest 07.05.2019 16:34

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by Loz1983 (Post 3066496)
Of course not. And records only go back about 150 years which is why you should take any “on record” headline with a pinch of salt.

Heard of ice cores? There are many ways of tracking the climate back. Individual month records, yes, OK - but you raised that one.

Guest 07.05.2019 16:36

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3066493)
This answer is based on your religious belief, not on scientific (debatable !) evidence.

Oh the irony. There is absolutely massive evidence out there if you bother to look for it. The religious / head in the sand view is yours.

Guest 07.05.2019 16:39

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 3066495)
when thinking about it, the term "climate change" itself is quite misleading. Has the climate ever been constant?

Yep. Lets go back to anthropogenic global warming.

krlock3 07.05.2019 16:43

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
To be blunt, only an idiot looks at what we do to our planet on a daily basis and thinks it has no potential or actual negative effects.

Guest 07.05.2019 16:48

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 3066495)
when thinking about it, the term "climate change" itself is quite misleading. Has the climate ever been constant?

Well, no it hasn't, but changes in climate over the Earth's history have been identified and linked to global events so some correlation has been found and agreed upon.

Now the climate is changing again and tracks human activity (as has been shown on countless graphs and in research papers) and suddenly that correlation and science is all bollocks according to the climate deniers. Why?

BasP72 07.05.2019 17:19

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Oh the irony. There is absolutely massive evidence out there if you bother to look for it. The religious / head in the sand view is yours.
The fact that anyone having different views on climate change is practically called a heretic and meets with forceful resistance (as you do yourself) means that no debate is possible. Making it a religion and not a science.

BasP72 07.05.2019 17:22

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Well, no it hasn't, but changes in climate over the Earth's history have been identified and linked to global events so some correlation has been found and agreed upon.

Now the climate is changing again and tracks human activity (as has been shown on countless graphs and in research papers) and suddenly that correlation and science is all bollocks according to the climate deniers. Why?
Lets correlate the rise in human activity with the rise in population to complete the picture...

omtatsat 07.05.2019 17:23

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We are talking about Switzerland, where glaciers have shrunk hugely and permafrost is melting and letting the mountains go ...
What goes up must come down

Guest 07.05.2019 17:31

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3066518)
The fact that anyone having different views on climate change is practically called a heretic and meets with forceful resistance (as you do yourself) means that no debate is possible. Making it a religion and not a science.

Has anyone with "different views on climate change" actually ever come up with any evidence? Heretic is probably too strong a word when plain old whacko would do... :D

BasP72 07.05.2019 18:00

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybe.../#5a91cadf3bb3

ZuriRollt 07.05.2019 18:07

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3066535)

Yes, fake news on this topic is even entering University exams in Switzerland...

Guest 07.05.2019 18:22

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by BasP72 (Post 3066535)

I donít see any evidence, just a load of whinge about scientists. :confused:

BasP72 07.05.2019 18:27

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
Since this is a discussion on the internet, and they apparently all inevitably end up with Nazis and Hitler I think it is best to just jump straight to the end:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/e...gion-1.5474185

k_and_e 07.05.2019 18:37

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Well, no it hasn't, but changes in climate over the Earth's history have been identified and linked to global events so some correlation has been found and agreed upon.

Now the climate is changing again and tracks human activity (as has been shown on countless graphs and in research papers) and suddenly that correlation and science is all bollocks according to the climate deniers. Why?
Indeed human activity. The solution for the issue is also as simple as it is politically unacceptable to propose.

Guest 07.05.2019 18:49

Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible
 
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Originally Posted by k_and_e (Post 3066549)
Indeed human activity. The solution for the issue is also as simple as it is politically unacceptable to propose.

Thatís as maybe but the solution of flatly denying the evidence and putting vast amounts of energy into trying to discredit scientists is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears to the tune of la-la-la-la.

ZuriRollt 07.05.2019 19:32

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Thatís as maybe but the solution of flatly denying the evidence and putting vast amounts of energy into trying to discredit scientists is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears to the tune of la-la-la-la.
Thanks for this post Sandgrounder.

To the original post on the significant decrease in biodiversity, although Iím well aware that posting on this subject on EF falls on long-dead ears (or is there still hope?).

Biodiversity is important in its own right, and biodiversity is important for human well-being.

But we humans are destroying it.

To the report released by IPBES this Monday, from which the post was derived: In 1992 at the Earth summit in Brazil the convention on biodiversity was signed, recognising that biodiversity loss needed to be halted.

Since 1992, the loss of biodiversity has accelerated even faster than any of st2lemans motorbikes.

And we ignored the warnings of 30 years ago.

The evidence in this report showed that biodiversity is not only an environmental issue, but itís also an economic, development, security, moral, ethical, and social issue:

- Biodiversity has incredible economic value: itís central to development through food, water, and energy sustainability
- Itís a security issue because the loss of natural resources, especially in under-developed countries can lead to conflict
- Itís a moral issue, because the loss of biodiversity hurts the poorest of people further exacerbating an already inequitable World
- And itís an ethical issue - we should not destroy nature

Unless we act now, we will undermine human well-being for future generations. Switzerland or not - itís a Global issue.

For anyone still with their head in the sand:

The following, released yesterday, which is surprisingly bad reporting from my point of view:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48169783


And the original release held this Monday, which should be a must view for anyone who gives a damn about the immediate future of the Planet for either their kids or other reasons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsaFFe2AQYc


There is so much going on on this topic at the moment, because itís urgent. For any EFers that care:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK47Pnx46rM

https://www.facebook.com/ExtinctionRebellion/

amogles 08.05.2019 12:30

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Isn't that climate "change"?


Isn't stuff staying the same also change, just with a zero delta? Or as statisticians like to say, a trivial delta ? :)


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