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Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible

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Just check your own forum signature for part of that answer!
This answer is based on your religious belief, not on scientific (debatable !) evidence.
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Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible

when thinking about it, the term "climate change" itself is quite misleading. Has the climate ever been constant?
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when thinking about it, the term "climate change" itself is quite misleading. Has the climate ever been constant?
Of course not. And records only go back about 150 years which is why you should take any ďon recordĒ headline with a pinch of salt.
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Of course not. And records only go back about 150 years which is why you should take any “on record” headline with a pinch of salt.
Heard of ice cores? There are many ways of tracking the climate back. Individual month records, yes, OK - but you raised that one.
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This answer is based on your religious belief, not on scientific (debatable !) evidence.
Oh the irony. There is absolutely massive evidence out there if you bother to look for it. The religious / head in the sand view is yours.
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when thinking about it, the term "climate change" itself is quite misleading. Has the climate ever been constant?
Yep. Lets go back to anthropogenic global warming.
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Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible

To be blunt, only an idiot looks at what we do to our planet on a daily basis and thinks it has no potential or actual negative effects.
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when thinking about it, the term "climate change" itself is quite misleading. Has the climate ever been constant?
Well, no it hasn't, but changes in climate over the Earth's history have been identified and linked to global events so some correlation has been found and agreed upon.

Now the climate is changing again and tracks human activity (as has been shown on countless graphs and in research papers) and suddenly that correlation and science is all bollocks according to the climate deniers. Why?
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Old 07.05.2019, 17:19
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Oh the irony. There is absolutely massive evidence out there if you bother to look for it. The religious / head in the sand view is yours.
The fact that anyone having different views on climate change is practically called a heretic and meets with forceful resistance (as you do yourself) means that no debate is possible. Making it a religion and not a science.
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Well, no it hasn't, but changes in climate over the Earth's history have been identified and linked to global events so some correlation has been found and agreed upon.

Now the climate is changing again and tracks human activity (as has been shown on countless graphs and in research papers) and suddenly that correlation and science is all bollocks according to the climate deniers. Why?
Lets correlate the rise in human activity with the rise in population to complete the picture...
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We are talking about Switzerland, where glaciers have shrunk hugely and permafrost is melting and letting the mountains go ...
What goes up must come down
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The fact that anyone having different views on climate change is practically called a heretic and meets with forceful resistance (as you do yourself) means that no debate is possible. Making it a religion and not a science.
Has anyone with "different views on climate change" actually ever come up with any evidence? Heretic is probably too strong a word when plain old whacko would do...
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Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible

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Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible

Yes, fake news on this topic is even entering University exams in Switzerland...
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I donít see any evidence, just a load of whinge about scientists.
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Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible

Since this is a discussion on the internet, and they apparently all inevitably end up with Nazis and Hitler I think it is best to just jump straight to the end:

https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/e...gion-1.5474185
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Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible

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Well, no it hasn't, but changes in climate over the Earth's history have been identified and linked to global events so some correlation has been found and agreed upon.

Now the climate is changing again and tracks human activity (as has been shown on countless graphs and in research papers) and suddenly that correlation and science is all bollocks according to the climate deniers. Why?
Indeed human activity. The solution for the issue is also as simple as it is politically unacceptable to propose.
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Indeed human activity. The solution for the issue is also as simple as it is politically unacceptable to propose.
Thatís as maybe but the solution of flatly denying the evidence and putting vast amounts of energy into trying to discredit scientists is the equivalent of putting your fingers in your ears to the tune of la-la-la-la.
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Thanks for this post Sandgrounder.

To the original post on the significant decrease in biodiversity, although Iím well aware that posting on this subject on EF falls on long-dead ears (or is there still hope?).

Biodiversity is important in its own right, and biodiversity is important for human well-being.

But we humans are destroying it.

To the report released by IPBES this Monday, from which the post was derived: In 1992 at the Earth summit in Brazil the convention on biodiversity was signed, recognising that biodiversity loss needed to be halted.

Since 1992, the loss of biodiversity has accelerated even faster than any of st2lemans motorbikes.

And we ignored the warnings of 30 years ago.

The evidence in this report showed that biodiversity is not only an environmental issue, but itís also an economic, development, security, moral, ethical, and social issue:

- Biodiversity has incredible economic value: itís central to development through food, water, and energy sustainability
- Itís a security issue because the loss of natural resources, especially in under-developed countries can lead to conflict
- Itís a moral issue, because the loss of biodiversity hurts the poorest of people further exacerbating an already inequitable World
- And itís an ethical issue - we should not destroy nature

Unless we act now, we will undermine human well-being for future generations. Switzerland or not - itís a Global issue.

For anyone still with their head in the sand:

The following, released yesterday, which is surprisingly bad reporting from my point of view:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-48169783


And the original release held this Monday, which should be a must view for anyone who gives a damn about the immediate future of the Planet for either their kids or other reasons:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsaFFe2AQYc


There is so much going on on this topic at the moment, because itís urgent. For any EFers that care:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK47Pnx46rM

https://www.facebook.com/ExtinctionRebellion/
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Re: In Switzerland, climate change is highly visible

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Isn't stuff staying the same also change, just with a zero delta? Or as statisticians like to say, a trivial delta ?
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