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Old 16.07.2019, 17:33
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What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

It is summer, Sauregurkenzeit, and the newspaper get filled with "interesting" stories. Like that a caiman
was spotted in Lake Hallwil.

https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panoram...story/29677887
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

Seems this is the summer of rogue reptiles...

From your article:
"Die Suche nach dem Tier ist bis anhin erfolglos geblieben.

Chicago recently had it's own rogue alligator problem. 'Chance the Snapper' was spotted living his best life in Chicago's Humbolt Park lagoon last week, and proved elusive to capture. As alligators are pretty far outside their usual remit, Chicago Animal Control had to concede defeat and call in an 'alligator whisperer'. From Florida, of course. Where else would alligator whispering be a serious career choice?

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/16/u...e-snapper.html

So if the good Aargauers need a helping hand...
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Old 17.07.2019, 13:01
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

I have a cousin in Florida who is an expert in capturing rogue gators.

Tom
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Old 17.07.2019, 13:09
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

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I have a cousin in Florida who is an expert in capturing rogue gators.

Tom
Did he use to live in Australia?

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Old 17.07.2019, 13:14
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

Less obvious than a Cayman, but probably for real and more lethal… now spotted in Zurich:

https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zu...d15422434.html
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

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Did he use to live in Australia?

Georgia, actually, but he's my mother's first cousin.

But my elder daughter and her husband are moving to Australia later this year.

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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

One has to wonder who is dumping these exotic animals.

In mid June, a python was found. (Link in German)

https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/aarga...ueck-134744431

There should be some mechanism in place to be able to give up these animals to a zoo, for example, without consequences to the owner.

As someone commented to me, a newborn baby can be easily given up by placing him/her in a baby hatch (babyklappe). Why make it so difficult for owners of exotic pets? Clearly these are illegal imports.
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

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Less obvious than a Cayman, but probably for real and more lethal… now spotted in Zurich:

https://www.blick.ch/news/schweiz/zu...d15422434.html
Yes. They should start spraying all people coming from the Asian countries just like they did in Australian planes ( yes in the plane! ) coming from Asia a few years ago. And they did not even give out masks!

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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

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As someone commented to me, a newborn baby can be easily given up by placing him/her in a baby hatch (babyklappe). Why make it so difficult for owners of exotic pets? Clearly these are illegal imports.
Because it wouldn't end well - please don't put pythons and alligators in the babyklappe!
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

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One has to wonder who is dumping these exotic animals.

In mid June, a python was found. (Link in German)

https://www.aargauerzeitung.ch/aarga...ueck-134744431

There should be some mechanism in place to be able to give up these animals to a zoo, for example, without consequences to the owner.
A good point. I quickly googled 'Reptile Tierheime', and found several in Switzerland, for instance:

https://www.repti-farm.ch/was-bieten...ien/index.html

https://www.reptilienauffangstation.ch

https://www.aquaterra-herz.ch/abzugeben-von-besitzern/

Also, hobby groups dedicated to a particular species often work to rehome animals in need. SIGS (turtles, tortoises) comes to mind.

Additionally, many of the 'standard' pet Tierheime also take in reptiles.

But most ask for information from the owner who is giving up the animal (as one would expect in order to facilitate responsible rehoming) and some ask for an Abgabe fee to cover the cost of quarantine and specialised veterinary care required.

It's unclear what happens if an animal of a species that requires a permit to be kept, or one that is illegal to keep, is left anonymously.

There was a tragic case of puppies left anonymously at a Tierheim, healthy with plenty of people seeking to adopt them, but because there was no information about the puppies origins illegal import was suspected - and therefore the Veterinäramt ordered all the pups euthanised.

Does the same happen with reptiles or other species when illegal import is suspected?
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Old 18.07.2019, 09:39
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

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Yes. They should start spraying all people coming from the Asian countries just like they did in Australian planes ( yes in the plane! ) coming from Asia a few years ago. And they did not even give out masks!
That was spraying against the avian flu I guess. These bugs live permanently in Southern Europe by now thanks to global warming and had previously been recorded in Ticino and GR. It was just a matter of time for them to arrive and no, they did not come by plane... they got their own wings.
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.....But most ask for information from the owner who is giving up the animal (as one would expect in order to facilitate responsible rehoming) and some ask for an Abgabe fee to cover the cost of quarantine and specialised veterinary care required.

It's unclear what happens if an animal of a species that requires a permit to be kept, or one that is illegal to keep, is left anonymously.

There was a tragic case of puppies left anonymously at a Tierheim, healthy with plenty of people seeking to adopt them, but because there was no information about the puppies origins illegal import was suspected - and therefore the Veterinäramt ordered all the pups euthanised.

Does the same happen with reptiles or other species when illegal import is suspected?
I suspect there is no system in place to leave an animal without the details. I know with parrots a veterinary check is required. There is a fee to give them up. If no additional papers are submitted, such as a CITES permit, then it would be impossibe to obtain one in the future. I suspect the same would be the case with other exotics. The veterinary costs for exotic animals can be much higher than those for dogs and cats. Plus the enclosures required for exotics differ greatly from domestic animals.

What happened to the puppies was tragic and I fail to understand why they could not quarantine them and test them for diseases.

Apparently the snake that was found was not in the best of health but is receiving medical attention. The crococodile won't survivie the winter in the lake once the temperatures drop.
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Old 18.07.2019, 10:32
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

Just for the record: that snake was a king python. They are not some sort of endangered species (but even an invasive pest in for example Florida thanks to some idiots releasing them into the wild). In the EU will you pay between 50-100 Eur for one, they are easily bred and not something exotic that gets smuggled.

I dont believe that animal shelters would need some expensive enclosures to keep them safely… plastic box with a lid. Plus: That could solve the issue some shelters have with an overpopulation of hamster or mice...
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Re: What was that? A crocodile? [It is summer folks]

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It is summer, Sauregurkenzeit, and the newspaper get filled with "interesting" stories. Like that a caiman
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https://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/panoram...story/29677887
Shit! I spotted a fish in the Limmat!
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