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New Paternity Leave

It seems that the paternity leave proposal will come into force soon: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/baby-br...leave/45221414

If I understood correctly now they will have a Referendum with the choice "4 weeks vs. 2 weeks" and the one that wins becomes the law of the land, right?

Will this referendum be done during the Federal Elections in October? I'm asking because my first son is due "for delivery" on November 21st so I would like to know if I'll have (at least) 2 weeks or 0 days like today.
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Old 12.09.2019, 14:42
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It seems that the paternity leave proposal will come into force soon: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/baby-br...leave/45221414

If I understood correctly now they will have a Referendum with the choice "4 weeks vs. 2 weeks" and the one that wins becomes the law of the land, right?

Will this referendum be done during the Federal Elections in October? I'm asking because my first son is due "for delivery" on November 21st so I would like to know if I'll have (at least) 2 weeks or 0 days like today.
Not sure it's a done deal, though? It still needs to be voted in then be implemented - November is pretty tight deadline even if it sails through.
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Old 12.09.2019, 14:58
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Re: New Paternity Leave

Congratulations on the upcoming birth of your child.

My understanding from the news last night is that parliament is trying to head off a referendum by passing legislation for 2 weeks of paternity leave. When that comes into effect is not clear to me.

The parties behind the referendum now have 10 days to decide if this is sufficient and they withdraw the referendum request, or if they will press forward. Even if they press forward, according to NZZ the referendum would only be in February.

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/zwei-woch...ter-ld.1508134
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Congratulations on the upcoming birth of your child.

My understanding from the news last night is that parliament is trying to head off a referendum by passing legislation for 2 weeks of paternity leave. When that comes into effect is not clear to me.

The parties behind the referendum now have 10 days to decide if this is sufficient and they withdraw the referendum request, or if they will press forward. Even if they press forward, according to NZZ the referendum would only be in February.

https://www.nzz.ch/schweiz/zwei-woch...ter-ld.1508134
That was my understanding, too - the lawmakers don't want a chance of it being four weeks, so pushed the two-week legislation through before the referendum date.

Switzerland is still in the stone age compared to some countries, though! The Nordic countries have good deals - the family gets a certain number of weeks (at least 40, depending on the country - I think in Sweden it's 70!) which need to be shared by the parents ... they have a "daddy quota", and if the father doesn't use at least this much then the family loses those weeks completely. These rules apply to same-sex couples as well.
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That was my understanding, too - the lawmakers don't want a chance of it being four weeks, so pushed the two-week legislation through before the referendum date.

Switzerland is still in the stone age compared to some countries, though! The Nordic countries have good deals - the family gets a certain number of weeks (at least 40, depending on the country - I think in Sweden it's 70!) which need to be shared by the parents ... they have a "daddy quota", and if the father doesn't use at least this much then the family loses those weeks completely. These rules apply to same-sex couples as well.
Sort of torn on that, though. I've got friends across the Nordic countries who had a lovely long mat/pat leave then had cheap-as-chips nurseries thereafter but they have to part with eye-watering taxes for the privilege.
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Old 12.09.2019, 16:45
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Sort of torn on that, though. I've got friends across the Nordic countries who had a lovely long mat/pat leave then had cheap-as-chips nurseries thereafter but they have to part with eye-watering taxes for the privilege.
I'm with you, but it seems voters in Nordic countries believe they get a decent ROI and are willing to pay the higher taxes. Elsewhere, like here, voters are more skeptical about the ROI or about some people taking unfair advantage of generous benefits.
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I'm with you, but it seems voters in Nordic countries believe they get a decent ROI and are willing to pay the higher taxes. Elsewhere, like here, voters are more skeptical about the ROI or about some people taking unfair advantage of generous benefits.
My Wife is Swedish, and what I hear from her family is the usual mixed info..

- Sweden is great, look at our maternity leave.
- Sweden sucks, the taxes are way to high.

Can't have both.

Here the taxes are very low and it is normal to take unpaid leave.
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I'm with you, but it seems voters in Nordic countries believe they get a decent ROI and are willing to pay the higher taxes. Elsewhere, like here, voters are more skeptical about the ROI or about some people taking unfair advantage of generous benefits.
Not sure how correct those numbers are but I've read that a 38-week joint parental leave would cost around 2.5 Billion CHF a year. If it would be financed through the EO/MSE payments that get deducted from salaries, those contributions would have to be increased from 0.45% to 1.15%. This seems like such a small contribution, with potentially a big impact on society.
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Old 12.09.2019, 19:59
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Re: New Paternity Leave

All these silly little deductions begin to add up, one here, one their, bit more tax on gas....etc and before you know it it’s 10 %

Taxes are cheapish here, want time off, take it from holiday allowance of accept to pay taxes like you have in Sweden.
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It seems that the paternity leave proposal will come into force soon: https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/baby-br...leave/45221414

If I understood correctly now they will have a Referendum with the choice "4 weeks vs. 2 weeks" and the one that wins becomes the law of the land, right?

Will this referendum be done during the Federal Elections in October? I'm asking because my first son is due "for delivery" on November 21st so I would like to know if I'll have (at least) 2 weeks or 0 days like today.
If the initiative is kept up, the voting will most likely be February 9th 2020.

And what ever comes out there, I don't think it will be installed by February 3rd.

If anybody already mentioned that - sorry, I only read the first post.
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Re: New Paternity Leave

Its not such a straightforward matter as we may think. You have to factor in the children allowances, length of family leave (both maternity and paternity altogether), leave days, taxes you pay and other deductions.

Herewith is the latest from UNICEF in June 2019.

https://www.unicef.ch/sites/default/...arch-Brief.pdf

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Re: New Paternity Leave

Thanks all for the reply, then it will be maybe for the next one.

Luckly my company already offers six days of paid paternity leave when the baby is born, so the two weeks wouldn't have changed much although my wife would have really appreciated 4 more days of me at home.
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Thanks all for the reply, then it will be maybe for the next one.

Luckly my company already offers six days of paid paternity leave when the baby is born, so the two weeks wouldn't have changed much although my wife would have really appreciated 4 more days of me at home.
You could always take 4 days of holiday as a sign of support. But I agree the paternity leave here is pathetic and you shouldn't need to use any holiday to spend time with your new baby.
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Thanks all for the reply, then it will be maybe for the next one.

Luckly my company already offers six days of paid paternity leave when the baby is born, so the two weeks wouldn't have changed much although my wife would have really appreciated 4 more days of me at home.



Take it as holiday, you certainly get 4 weeks probably 5 weeks, if it really is that important.


Yu company is already generous giving 6 days off paid, why should they pay any more for your reproductive talents ?
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Re: New Paternity Leave

It's an interesting political discussion, related to the role of the state and regulations. Should we get the "protection" from the state to guarantee we have enough days off the enjoy our newborn children, at the cost of every taxpayer contributing more via taxes, or should the cost of missing work days fall on those of us when we choose to enjoy unpaid leave?

Like Edwin said, you can't have both: low taxes and welfare state benefits ( a la Nordic countries/Germany/France). After living here for over 10 years I get the feeling that the Nordic Model doesn't fit with Swiss culture of decentralized confederation with high independence of the cantons.
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