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Old 16.09.2019, 11:49
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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"You boycott Läderach because of the owners views; why do you not boycott fuel?".

I can think of some reasonable and consistent answers to that, but can the OP? If not, then it is just virtue signalling.
I think the answer to this is that you need to choose your battles.

It's not as if every religious person chooses to follow a church's doctrine to the letter - there's a bit of picking and choosing there too.

There's a fair bit of virtue signalling too if these people were honest?
Wouldn't you say?
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Old 16.09.2019, 11:51
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Whataboutery is just a particular type of red herring - asked in order to deflect - and is a logical fallacy. In this case, however, I think it is legitimate to ask:

"You boycott Läderach because of the owners views; why do you not boycott fuel?".

I can think of some reasonable and consistent answers to that, but can the OP? If not, then it is just virtue signalling.
you mean, like LGBT++ organizations supporting anti gay regimes ?
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Whataboutery is just a particular type of red herring - asked in order to deflect - and is a logical fallacy. In this case, however, I think it is legitimate to ask:

"You boycott Läderach because of the owners views; why do you not boycott fuel?".

I can think of some reasonable and consistent answers to that, but can the OP? If not, then it is just virtue signalling.
Let's look at the evidence... oh yes...
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It doesn't stop anyone 'enjoying chocolate', Läderach is just one company within an entire industry full of delicious chocolate.
Totally virtue signalling: lots of noise and "look at me!" but absolutely no genuine sacrifice required.

Textbook.
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Old 16.09.2019, 12:27
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Sometimes a good product is invented by morally-bankrupt people. Case in point would be Volkwagen.
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Old 16.09.2019, 12:30
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Sometimes a good product is invented by morally-bankrupt people. Case in point would be Volkwagen.
Major Ivan Hirst ?
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Old 16.09.2019, 12:42
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Sometimes a good product is invented by morally-bankrupt people. Case in point would be Volkwagen.



Was about time the thread got Godwin'd for good.
;-)
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Old 16.09.2019, 13:03
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Was about time the thread got Godwin'd for good.
;-)
Here you go.

Läderach are like Hitler, because he (caused to be) made useful things as well, like

First glide bombs
First guided missiles with tv cameras
First wire guided missiles
First teflon-coated armor piercing rounds
First shaped charge anti tank rocket launchers
First successful rocket launched artillery
Motorized angling of torpedo tubes
Acoustic torpedoes and mines
First snorkels for submarines
Enigma four rotor coding device
First infra-red cameras for night fighting tanks
Best heavy machine gun in history
Best long range artillery and anti-aircraft guns
First multi-engine jet bombers

Just not as tasty.
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Old 16.09.2019, 13:07
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

I think now would be a good time to point out they also make 'own brand' stuff for all the supermarkets here
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Old 16.09.2019, 13:09
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Major Ivan Hirst ?
Hans Ledwinka

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Ledwinka
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Old 16.09.2019, 13:11
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

arguably is was Major Ivan Hirst who founded vw as it is today
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Old 16.09.2019, 13:30
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Does Läderach discriminate against gay customers or employees? Are Mr L's views enshrined in company policy? If so, you might have a point. Otherwise, they're just his personal opinions and nothing to do with his employees.
I don't agree, mate. The money his company makes from its business goes to fund his beliefs, which have no place in public life: based on the OP's linked articles, Mr. Läderach has created/led the CFT organization (Christians for Truth), which advocates for "Christian values in politics and society" ("Für christliche Werte in Politik und Gesellschaft", as the headline in their website says). They lead an initiative to limit anti-discrimination legislation, under the "Against censorship" banner. In their own words: https://www.cft.ch/de/publikationen/...tz-entscheiden (only in German). And of course a lot more.

So, considering there are hundreds of other high-quality chocolate brands to buy from in Switzerland, and all things being equal, why would anyone in their right mind want to give their hard-earned money to these mothe&%*#ing bigots?
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Old 16.09.2019, 13:42
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

give your hard earned to nestle instead

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott

oh, wait
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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So, considering there are hundreds of other high-quality chocolate brands to buy from in Switzerland, and all things being equal, why would anyone in their right mind want to give their hard-earned money to these mothe&%*#ing bigots?
Yes, this thread had actually gained a few clients! Sorry if I don't look again through all these posts, they are hilarious but nah...

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I never knew about this brand until this thread. I'm hardly a chocolate connoisseur and I'm happy with a Dairy Milk whole nut.

This chocolate looks delicious and I will probably buy it now. Sorry to all the homosexuals out there in advance
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Old 16.09.2019, 13:53
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

For all those wanting to taste the nectar of satan himself, they have an outlet shop just off the motorway junction at Bilten


https://www.google.com/maps/place/L%...91!4d9.0234724

prices are much cheaper
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Just bought Alnatura Espresso (because I want to reduce my caffeine intake you know ) and it's delicious. Crunchy bits of coffee...delicious. But it's produced in Germany! Should have bought a local brand, I don't know what I was thinking...
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I think now would be a good time to point out they also make 'own brand' stuff for all the supermarkets here
Protesting should not be so hard, claiming to never visit a store again where most of those who do such never have been or just once or twice a year is much easier.

As for me, I'll buy again from their store and it will taste as good as it did before this topic. So many companies have things going on that stopping buying from any company which does not share my beliefs or does things in a way I dislike I might as well start baking my own bread, put some grass out of my garden on it and welcome the boring life.

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Old 16.09.2019, 14:37
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Protesting should not be so hard, claiming to never visit a store again where most of those who do such never have been or just once or twice a year is much easier.
Not sure whether you read the whole thread or are just repeating what others have already written, but I'll write again that generally in such cases where protesting in such a way is successful, direct sales fall off are not really a problem for a company - a negligible fall in profits but the negative publicity (which can be far-reaching due to the internet) can cause share prices to fall, companies to be, in the short term, unsaleable and so on.

None of this is likely to affect Laederach, especially as a lot of his sentiments are supported by the general population. His anti-semitism is supported by one quarter of Swiss who are anti-Jewish.

Shall we mention WWII again?
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His anti-semitism is supported by one quarter of Swiss who are anti-Jewish.
Please keep Corbyn out of it
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Godwins to me are a sign of lack of intelligence.

I find people who find the mention of past history unpalatable usually either have some (close family) skeletons in the closet, or suspect views themselves.
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