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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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We splurged today for some overpriced chocolates in a train station next to a abgefackelt bridge.
Not sure why they're so celebrated.
To be honest, coming from a country where eating out was not the norm but rather an exception, the (western) celebration of food brands seemed super cool and a taste of freedom - man was I for a shock and surprise - all these mass manufactured sweets, cookies and what's not are actually tasting more or less the same and way, way worse than anything made at home, and by far.
It is always over-sweetened, laced with some industrial durability fats and other highly processed ingredients.
I found one or two local places where they make home rivalling pastries and sweets (one of them is Fleur de pain in Lausanne region).
Unfortunately, Läderach doesn't cut it...
LOL, I tasted Läderach chocolate - for the first time ever - today as well. The one thing this thread did not want to achieve

It was nice, it was a gift (following up discussing this thread the other night). For me it's also a tad too sweet, so I guess I won't have it again. Without claiming I'm boycotting the company.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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[Snore] You know that eating out was the exception everywhere back when we were kids, right?
Well, an aboundance of mass manufactured preserved-forever food (or any good actually) wasn't there either, so either you made your cookies or well, didn't have any :-)
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Well, an aboundance of mass manufactured preserved-forever food (or any good actually) wasn't there either, so either you made your cookies or well, didn't have any :-)
Did you warm yourselves round a candle, sleep in your shoes and make a turnip last for a fortnight too?
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Old 16.09.2019, 22:36
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To be honest, coming from a country where eating out was not the norm but rather an exception
You're from Switzerland?

Actually, I've never lived anywhere where eating out was the norm.

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Interesting comparison here to be made to the Daily Fail hitpiece on the RNLI spending a huge 2% of their budget on helping foreign kids not drown.

This had just brought the RNLI to the public consciousness, and lots of right-minded people who would prefer no kids drown, even if they are brown and/or foreign have begun donating.
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You're from Switzerland?

Actually, I've never lived anywhere where eating out was the norm.

Tom
Didn't you light cigars with dollar bills while resting your feet on impoverished orphans?

What kind of "westerner" are you?
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Did you warm yourselves round a candle, sleep in your shoes and make a turnip last for a fortnight too?
No, I was like like Zuck - you know, "I didn't eat the food that I haven't had slaughtered myself"; you know, that stuff - you either chop off its head (a hen who refused to lay the eggs due to year(s) of service) or slit a throat of a large mammal...

But now I just design stuff that in all likelihood is a bloodstream of your internet, cellular and electric grid connection, so thank you for paying for it and thus I can get my paycheck and donate to some old fashioned anti infanticidal causes like poor parents or a baby-hatch...
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I think we're looking at a culture clash here. To most people, the difference between a foetus one minute before birth and a baby one minute after birth is plain. It is enshrined deeply in our laws and customs and it is barely comprehensible to us that others might not see the same distinction.

For Yacek, a newborn child has already been a baby for nine months or so. To him, our distinction is arbitrary and cruel.

Of course, Yacek's point of view is missing the crucial contribution of a whole nother human being - and that's what makes his views so antediluvian.

He can't help it, though. He was obviously brought up this way. We're all prisoners of our culture one way or another.
Right on DB ! I keep on putting chocolate chips into my "Bircher Muesli " as I did 51 .5 years ago

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Old 17.09.2019, 00:34
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I haven't checked for each country but it appears that under current practices in Europe, abortion is allowed until the 3rd month (or 3 and a half months) of pregnancy. This time limit can only be exceeded in situations where there is a serious risk to the health of the woman or the baby/foetus.

It's shocking to read about these anti-abortion acts of violence in some of the most developed countries in the world.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

In the US its most common in High School ,with assault weapons
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Here you go.

Läderach are like Hitler, because he (caused to be) made useful things as well, like

First glide bombs
First guided missiles with tv cameras
First wire guided missiles
First teflon-coated armor piercing rounds
First shaped charge anti tank rocket launchers
First successful rocket launched artillery
Motorized angling of torpedo tubes
Acoustic torpedoes and mines
First snorkels for submarines
Enigma four rotor coding device
First infra-red cameras for night fighting tanks
Best heavy machine gun in history
Best long range artillery and anti-aircraft guns
First multi-engine jet bombers

Just not as tasty.
Zzzzzzzzzz you forgot the "Autobahn" ,and the bad American copied it and called "I"
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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It's an old fashioned American expression, like "do you dig?" and "hep cat".

I understood it from reading old Mad magazines.
I miss that already
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No, I was like like Zuck - you know, "I didn't eat the food that I haven't had slaughtered myself"; you know, that stuff - you either chop off its head (a hen who refused to lay the eggs due to year(s) of service) or slit a throat of a large mammal...
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So violent....these Eastern-Europeans....

One word for you> świniobicie... (yum yum)

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But now I just design stuff that in all likelihood is a bloodstream of your internet, cellular and electric grid connection..
...and piss off people on the internet. You should know your place, seriously....damn' they didn't teach you anything in those countries.

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so thank you for paying for it and thus I can get my paycheck and donate to some old fashioned anti infanticidal causes like poor parents or a baby-hatch...
You get payed? Ha.

Naaaah, wait a minute cowboy....tell us which company is it and we'll boycott it.

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Didn't you light cigars with dollar bills while resting your feet on impoverished orphans?

What kind of "westerner" are you?
UK was quite unique (in an Argentinian way) in the Western world in its mismanagement of economic and social policies after wwii so not every westerner is going to relate to that...
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UK was quite unique (in an Argentinian way) in the Western world in its mismanagement of economic and social policies after wwii so not every westerner is going to relate to that...
You know there's no such thing as the "western world", right?
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You know there's no such thing as the "western world", right?
If you keep going left, all of the world is the Western world.
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If you keep going left, all of the world is the Western world.
Not if you are facing south.
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You're from Switzerland?

Actually, I've never lived anywhere where eating out was the norm.

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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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You know there's no such thing as the "western world", right?
You've reminded me of the apocryphal weather forecast headline "Fog in Channel, Continent Isolated".

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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

One thing this thread highlights, as if it needed any highlighting, is that you cannot or should not express a point of view in the moral and ethical domain and expect everyone to agree with you. There are no (currently) universally accepted or absolute standards in this area so there is ample scope for various points of view.

Take a trip into the mundane every day with the example of buying curtains. You hand over a set of dimensions and the curtains are made to those dimensions. If they don't fit you can check your rule. You can compare it with that of the draper. If there is disagreement between the rules you can go all the way to the Louvre in France where the official standard meter rule is kept. [in the meantime the meter has been redefined but plus or minus a pair of neutron widths, that should be accurate enough]. Anyway, the point is it will always be clear.

In the realm of ethics and morality, there are no such universally accepted standards of what is right and what is wrong, so there is scope for endless discussion.
- What my religion teaches; what the law in a particular legal jurisdiction says; what feels right or is "fair"; what appears to be consistent with or an extension of other accepted principles; etc. etc.

This is just a feature of the flux (progression and/or decay) in our society. If there were absolute and visible standards in this area, is would be so much easier. Lets say that a particular course of action led to a thunderbolt from heaven striking the transgressor or shower of fire and moulten sulphur turning him/her to a pillar of salt, it would be clear. That does not happen, at least not so visibly.

Returning to the flux in society, an action or a lifestyle choice which is acceptable in a particular society (or even a snapshot in time in that society) may be unacceptable outside those narrow confines. Even those standards enshrined in law can change (even retroactively as in the example case of the Nuremberg trials). The lowest common denominator will be the survival of the family unit and every viable society will strive to protect that. The rate of change in society is increasing so that a mere generation may see many changes in its lifetime.

The prerequisites for a massive change in our society are piling up before our eyes. A potential war in the middle east is brewing which could spiral out of control, the USA's struggle to contain China and Russia could simultaneously erupt. Who knows what could result from that? But many of the things that our society now takes for granted or has been tolerated may not in the future.
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You've reminded me of the apocryphal weather forecast headline "Fog in Channel, Continent Isolated".
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