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I'm libertarian, btw.
Like vegans, but moreso!
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Personally, I would never let my notions of morality or immorality get in the way of my enjoying a great product. The only loser in the equation would be me. I'm libertarian, btw.
Best hope that they don't find a newer, more delicious chocolate spread that involves draining fluids from a caged Danieldreier.

I mean, we'd all buy it, right? Why let our morality or immorality get in the way of such tasty chocolate? The only losers would be us chocophiles.
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Personally, I would never let my notions of morality or immorality get in the way of my enjoying a great product. The only loser in the equation would be me. I'm libertarian, btw.
Don't you find it very quiet?

Cool to spend your days amongst so many books though, I suppose. Never short of something to read.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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I heard a lot about companies like Chick-fil-A or Barilla who are run by bigoted CEOs,
You'll be pleased, no doubt, to note that Chick-fil-A have jettisoned the bigoted Salvation Army, and instead "The foundation said it would now focus its giving in the areas of education, homelessness, and hunger." Of course, that's where the bigoted Salvation Army focus their efforts.
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In the end people have every right to stop buying the product and realistically speaking it's not as though the company is going to go out of business
So it makes no difference, except to give you a self-satisfied warm glow inside, and enables you to tell others, thereby signalling your virtue.

Which brings us back to here.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Personally, I would never let my notions of morality or immorality get in the way of my enjoying a great product. The only loser in the equation would be me. I'm libertarian, btw.
Really? You would buy any clothing product that you know was created with worker or animal cruelty? Or a cosmetic product you know is actively tested on animals? Food that you know is using harmful pesticides? I'm sorry to hear that.

There is a big difference between buying things and not knowing these ethical concerns, and then finding such things out and then being able to make a conscious decision to keep buying them. Of course we should all take into account the circumstances of the individual buyers such as financial means (does switching products incur a material cost) and availability (is there even any other choice available?), but in the end if you can buy alternative good that satisfy any real ethical concerns you have (as much as is ever possible within reason), without any real downsides, then what exactly is there to think about?

Anyway we are talking about Laderach here, possibly the most overpriced chocolate on the mainstream market and there are many great alternatives.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Best hope that they don't find a newer, more delicious chocolate spread that involves draining fluids from a caged Danieldreier.

I mean, we'd all buy it, right? Why let our morality or immorality get in the way of such tasty chocolate? The only losers would be us chocophiles.
Interestingly, blood meal is a common substitute for cocoa in the chocolate industry
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

and as pointed out, a huge number of people hold exactly the same views, ALL the main religions on the planet have exactly the same view, so lets boycott every company who's management are openly religious.

if the guy wasn't a wealthy white christian man then the same people vilifying him now would be up in arms at the racists persecuting for following his religion.
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Old 20.11.2019, 10:21
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So it makes no difference, except to give you a self-satisfied warm glow inside, and enables you to tell others, thereby signalling your virtue.
Actually that's not true at all, and I mentioned it earlier in the thread.

There are many examples in real life where the impact of a boycott of a product has resulted in a negligible drop in profits but the company has instead suffered greatly with a drop in share price due to the massive reach of the internet in generating a negative view of the company.

Of course that wouldn't happen in this case as the company is privately owned.
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Personally, I would never let my notions of morality or immorality get in the way of my enjoying a great product. The only loser in the equation would be me. I'm libertarian, btw.
So if ISIS sympathizers opened a bakery or pastry shop with delicious confections, you’d be an unwavering customer.

Fortunately in most cases libertarian doesn’t equal a lack of conscience.
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So if ISIS sympathizers opened a bakery or pastry shop with delicious confections, you’d be an unwavering customer.

Fortunately in most cases libertarian doesn’t equal a lack of conscience.
would be easier to catch them if they did
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Don't you find it very quiet?

Cool to spend your days amongst so many books though, I suppose. Never short of something to read.
I certainly agree that emotional tirades have always sounded far louder than the voice of reason, if that's what you mean.
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How can one be sure about the validity of this statement? Any verifiable source?

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So if ISIS sympathizers opened a bakery or pastry shop with delicious confections, you’d be an unwavering customer.
It was a shame that the last head of ISIS didn't think of that.

With a name like Abū Bakr I'd say that was a lost opportunity.
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if the guy wasn't a wealthy white christian man then the same people vilifying him now would be up in arms at the racists persecuting for following his religion.
Are you suggesting that the only divestment / boycott actions "liberals" participate in are those affecting white, old, rich Christians?

I'd suggest not.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Are you suggesting that the only divestment / boycott actions "liberals" participate in are those affecting white, old, rich Christians?

I'd suggest not.
no, i'm pointing out that because he is white and christian then its open season on him, if he'd been anything else it would never have been raised as an issue
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

If I were to stop using products created by anyone who thought differently to me, I would have to become 100% self-sufficient. I have my conscience which I follow. I let others follow theirs without discriminating.


I've lived in countries and eras in which rumors of a company owner being gay would generate serious negative publicity for the company. If their product was good, I would happily continue buying it, even though I am not gay myself. I respect their right to be and think different from me. That kind of respect is sadly lacking in the left and right wings.

From an outside perspective, all forms of intolerance are essentially the same, regardless of which moralist camp they arise from.
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So if ISIS sympathizers opened a bakery or pastry shop with delicious confections, you’d be an unwavering customer.
I hear their schinkengipfeli are pure dynamite.
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no, i'm pointing out that because he is white and christian then its open season on him, if he'd been anything else it would never have been raised as an issue
Where has his age, whiteness or Christianity been brought into it?

He contributes to despicable causes, anything else is secondary. I don't care why he does it, nor what his age, gender or religion is.

To him it may feel primary as he would probably argue his motivation is religious, however most religious people don't contribute to such causes, so that argument is nonsense - whilst there is a lot of papal bull talked on the subject, there is no dogma that says he must do this to be a good Christian.
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Don't you find it very quiet?

Cool to spend your days amongst so many books though, I suppose. Never short of something to read.
I heard that some librarians get lost in the sophists area of the philosophy section...
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Where has his age, whiteness or Christianity been brought into it?

He contributes to despicable causes, anything else is secondary. I don't care why he does it, nor what his age, gender or religion is.

To him it may feel primary as he would probably argue his motivation is religious, however most religious people don't contribute to such causes, so that argument is nonsense - whilst there is a lot of papal bull talked on the subject, there is no dogma that says he must do this to be a good Christian.
the meer fact people are trying to form a boycott of his company has everything to do with his whiteness and religion, it would be 100% unacceptable in this day and age (and rightly so) to try and start a boycott of a company based on someones religion UNLESS they are christian, it seems everyone is 'protected' except christians, and if you're a straight man to boot, well, then all bets are off, lowest of the low.

and for the record I am in no way religious, not in any way shape of form, but the hypocrisy on this thread and with the people persecuting this guy are breathtaking, his religion is anti gay and anti abortion so f'ing what, so are the catholic church, judaism and muslim faiths.
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