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If I were to stop using products created by anyone who thought differently to me, I would have to become 100% self-sufficient. I have my conscience which I follow. I let others follow theirs without discriminating.


I've lived in countries and eras in which rumors of a company owner being gay would generate serious negative publicity for the company. If their product was good, I would happily continue buying it, even though I am not gay myself. I respect their right to be and think different from me. That kind of respect is sadly lacking in the left and right wings.

From an outside perspective, all forms of intolerance are essentially the same, regardless of which moralist camp they arise from.
This sums up the moral failure of libertarianism. Making an equivalency between a gay CEO who faced prejudice from society and a religious fundamentalist CEO who is called out for his unacceptable Dark Age mentality. It’s like you can’t grasp the difference between preoccupation for social change and flimsy corporate interests.

I don’t think you can even fathom the shockwaves your opinion would’ve sent at my former university. At least I understand why certain speakers are banned.
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Old 20.11.2019, 11:33
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i don’t think you can even fathom the shockwaves your opinion would’ve sent at my former university. At least i understand why certain speakers are banned.
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the people persecuting this guy is breathtaking
Certainly not as breathtaking as a straight white guy talking about persecution, which he never truly experienced. But nice job turning the bigot into the victim.
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Certainly not as breathtaking as a straight white guy talking about persecution, which he never truly experienced. But nice job turning the bigot into the victim.
double LOL, sorry I was unaware you knew me personally

ETA way to prove a point by the way, my views and opinions don't matter as I'm a straight white guy
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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I wish you would use your energy in the States where there is a REAL THREAT of women losing their right to abortion.
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the meer fact people are trying to form a boycott of his company has everything to do with his whiteness and religion, it would be 100% unacceptable in this day and age (and rightly so) to try and start a boycott of a company based on someones religion UNLESS they are christian, it seems everyone is 'protected' except christians, and if you're a straight man to boot, well, then all bets are off, lowest of the low.

and for the record I am in no way religious, not in any way shape of form, but the hypocrisy on this thread and with the people persecuting this guy are breathtaking, his religion is anti gay and anti abortion so f'ing what, so are the catholic church, judaism and muslim faiths.
How does it have anything to do with his whiteness or his Christianity.

Your logical position is that whiteness and Christianity are implicitly linked to donating to horrible organizations. I'd say that's a bit bigoted, aside from this creep, none of the white Christians I know donate to questionable organizations.

He's free to do whatever he wants in his private life, amongst his circle of pals and fellow devotees, but the minute he attempts to influence the lives of others in a negative way, he's rightly going to get criticized.

Your religion is not a bulwark or aegis against criticism unless you live in a theocracy - thank God we don't.
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Old 20.11.2019, 11:48
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How does it have anything to do with his whiteness or his Christianity.

Your logical position is that whiteness and Christianity are implicitly linked to donating to horrible organizations. I'd say that's a bit bigoted, aside from this creep, none of the white Christians I know donate to questionable organizations.

He's free to do whatever he wants in his private life, amongst his circle of pals and fellow devotees, but the minute he attempts to influence the lives of others in a negative way, he's rightly going to get criticized.

Your religion is not a bulwark or aegis against criticism unless you live in a theocracy - thank God we don't.

I don't know how I can make it any clearer, sorry.
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I don't know how I can make it any clearer, sorry.
I'd suggest you cannot make it any clearer because it isn't true, and you are an honest person.
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no, i'm pointing out that because he is white and christian then its open season on him, if he'd been anything else it would never have been raised as an issue
The mind boggles at how little complex thought you are consistently capable of putting into any discussion.
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The mind boggles at how little complex thought you are consistently capable of putting into any discussion.
thanks, it brings its own issues though
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I'm a straight white guy
What? When? How?

You're still bringing me your grandmother's rice and peas recipe, though, right?
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What? When? How?

You're still bringing me your grandmother's rice and peas recipe, though, right?

is rice and peas , white man slang?
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Maybe I will try and turn this around to try and logically tie this up.

BB2 - Forget this thread.

Is it acceptable to criticize someone who donates to charities with antediluvian views?

Is it acceptable to stop buying things from said person's company, when you know (a portion of) your money will be spent on financing such organisations?

Is it then acceptable to let likeminded people know about the situation?

I suspect you have to answer YES to all three questions.
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Old 20.11.2019, 12:06
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How does it have anything to do with his whiteness or his Christianity.

Your logical position is that whiteness and Christianity are implicitly linked to donating to horrible organizations. I'd say that's a bit bigoted, aside from this creep, none of the white Christians I know donate to questionable organizations.

He's free to do whatever he wants in his private life, amongst his circle of pals and fellow devotees, but the minute he attempts to influence the lives of others in a negative way, he's rightly going to get criticized.

Your religion is not a bulwark or aegis against criticism unless you live in a theocracy - thank God we don't.

where do you draw the line though? by putting a few coins in the church collection box every week you are donating and supporting a cause that is anti gay, anti abortion, suppresses woman and is against contraception and they spend hundreds on millions every year promoting these messages, but that seems to be ok.

This guys few coins are obviously worth a bit more then little old gladys few shekels so they get noticed more as a one off, yet he should be vilified and she should be praised, both are supporting and preaching exactly the same message.
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where do you draw the line though? by putting a few coins in the church collection box every week you are donating and supporting a cause that is anti gay, anti abortion, suppresses woman and is against contraception and they spend hundreds on millions every year promoting these messages, but that seems to be ok.

This guys few coins are obviously worth a bit more then little old gladys few shekels so they get noticed more as a one off, yet he should be vilified and she should be praised, both are supporting and preaching exactly the same message.
I have no idea how much money he or anybody else puts in the church collection box every week - who even knows which Christians go to church and which do not, etc etc? I can't deny I would of course say it is better to put money in a box for building houses in some poverty stricken countries than the coffers of some of the richest organisations in the world, but each to their own.

What I do know is he is definitely contributing to a cause I find abhorrent, so I hope you don't mind me sharing those thoughts on this open forum and taking any (legal!) actions I find appropriate?

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Old 20.11.2019, 12:15
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What? When? How?

You're still bringing me your grandmother's rice and peas recipe, though, right?
as you know, weekends are still 'free'
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Maybe I will try and turn this around to try and logically tie this up.

BB2 - Forget this thread.

Is it acceptable to criticize someone who donates to charities with antediluvian views?

Is it acceptable to stop buying things from said person's company, when you know (a portion of) your money will be spent on financing such organisations?

Is it then acceptable to let likeminded people know about the situation?

I suspect you have to answer YES to all three questions.
Is it acceptable to support a company that treats their employees fairly, hires people according to their skills and not their sexual preferences, and provides sustainable employment in an area that doesn't have much industry?

Your questions only demonstrate one side of the argument. Although your questions are valid, there are other components to consider as well.

Do I dislike Läderach's personal support for anti-gay, anti-abortion groups? Of course. Do I feel threatened by it? No, because Swiss laws obviously support equality and are continuing to move forward instead of backwards.

I don't admire Läderach's personal views but I do admire his business sense and how his company functions.

It's not all as black and white as it seems.
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Is it acceptable to support a company that treats their employees fairly, hires people according to their skills and not their sexual preferences, and provides sustainable employment in an area that doesn't have much industry?
Yes, although I would hope that in a civilized country that should be the norm.


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Do I dislike Läderach's personal support for anti-gay, anti-abortion groups? Of course. Do I feel threatened by it? No, because Swiss laws obviously support equality and are continuing to move forward instead of backwards.

I don't admire Läderach's personal views but I do admire his business sense and how his company functions.
Great, keep buying his chocolate then.

This isn't a complicated scenario - I'm not holding a gun to your head to tell you to buy from a different company, I'm just telling you why I would.
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Great, keep buying his chocolate then.

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