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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Myth: Sometimes you just don't want to make it anyone's business. Coming out is a choice, not an obligation.

Even if you think differently.
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again with the insults!!

I thought I'd made it clear, I don't give a toss about region, I don't give a toss about this guys religion, as someone who doesn't give a toss about religion his seems to preach exactly the same as the other main religions on the planet, yet you and everyone else calling for a boycott are giving them a free pass.
If you find me a Jewish or Muslim chocolatier donating money to anti-gay / anti-abortion groups, I will gladly take up the mantle of posting on the forum that we should boycott.

Hope that closes off this unusual strawman tangent you are going down.
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Ergo, why would someone have to hide their sexuality or pretend to be “neutral”?

If you’re a longtime member of a community or work structure, whether it’s church, yoga class, some small or large company, you cannot, and should not, conceal who you truly are.
FFS - I'm straight but it's not really something that I've ever made a point of mentioning in any club, society or group that I've joined. Nobody knows anything about me in my gym and that's the way I like it. I could be a devil-worshipper and into S&M but everyone is just at the gym to get on with gym stuff and maybe have a chat for a nanosecond about the weather or the traffic or whether you fell off the treadmill last Wednesday. Why do people think it's so important they know what some people get up to with other people?

Same goes for the church or a dominoes club or life-drawing classes or whatever.

You might be one for over-sharing but anyone who waltzes into a club or society or church saying "actually I'm gay, does anyone have a problem with that?!" is probably as much of an arsehole as someone who is straight going in there shouting "I love vaginas!"
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:04
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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If you find me a Jewish or Muslim chocolatier donating money to anti-gay / anti-abortion groups, I will gladly take up the mantle of posting on the forum that we should boycott.

Hope that closes off this unusual strawman tangent you are going down.
how about any catholic?

Its not a tangent btw, this is the guys religion, he is some bigwig in his particular cult and this is the cults policy
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how about any catholic?

Its not a tangent btw, this is the guys religion, he is some bigwig in his particular cult and this is the cults policy
Let me spell it out.

Any business owner who donates to groups I find troublesome will not be getting my business.

Listing other religions was just meant to make the point it isn't about any specific religion - If the guy is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Athiest or Australian has zero bearing on it.
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:09
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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FFS - I'm straight but it's not really something that I've ever made a point of mentioning in any club, society or group that I've joined.
If you were a church-goer. and straight - you could go to church with your husband, you could also attend church social events with your husband.

What you are basically suggesting though, is that if you were gay, your partner ought to stay at home and you should attend these events alone to avoid persecution.

I never thought that bigoted Churches were inclusive - you have only re-enforced that view.
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If you were a church-goer. and straight - you could go to church with your husband, you could also attend church social events with your husband.

What you are basically suggesting though, is that if you were gay, your partner ought to stay at home and you should attend these events alone to avoid persecution.

I never thought that bigoted Churches were inclusive - you have only re-enforced that view.
What if my husband were Jewish/Muslim/Atheist/Dead, and I didn't want to force him to keep with my beliefs (obviously applies to all those except being dead)?

Bigotry is everywhere, it seems...
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:12
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Let me spell it out.

Any business owner who donates to groups I find troublesome will not be getting my business.

Listing other religions was just meant to make the point it isn't about any specific religion - If the guy is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Athiest or Australian has zero bearing on it.
shop at any migros owned stores?
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So just because something is considered legal means that it can't be heavily criticised? Are you actually serious?
He also shows a complete misunderstanding of liberalism and tolerance.

In relation to others, liberal tolerance is not about letting neo-nazis, fascists, alt-righters or religious fundamentalists to freely express their dangerous hateful ideologies and without consequence. Liberalism insists on equal rights for the people that were, and in some cases still are, subject to harsh treatment from the aforementioned groups.

Liberal tolerance is to demand from a society dominated by the influence of religion and racism be more accepting and inclusive of those who are marginalized.
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shop at any migros owned stores?
Sure. Does the owner contribute to dodgy charities? If so, please let me know and I'll direct my business elsewhere.
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:16
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Sure. Does the owner contribute to dodgy charities? If so, please let me know and I'll direct my business elsewhere.
It's a cooperative so it's quite likely that a few members do.
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:23
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It's a cooperative so it's quite likely that a few members do.
Not really the same - that's more akin to suggesting you shouldn't buy I dunno, a Chrysler, because some of the people who own shares are donate to disagreeable causes.

Again, everything is personal, but if the owner/figurehead of the company is doing stuff I disagree with, I will try to avoid helping them do this with my money - I don't think that's an unreasonable position.
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Sorry, I don't understand the reference.

But why would anyone know that anyone is gay? Well, the same way anyone could know that anyone is straight. For example through everyday conversations over tea at church socials: are you married, do you live alone, do you have children, what did you do over the weekend, would you like me to introduce you to my sister? And then, from time to time: wasn't that a blessed, powerful sermon against the sin of homosexuality, brother?

Besides those conversations, there's often this, (although not always true)

and some people have more or less of a gaydar.
And see, that's a problem. Lots of people can answer those questions in a seemingly "gay" manner and be straight. Lots of times you think you can pigeonhole a person as gay, and you're not always right. And a gay person might not appear gay at all. I think identifing lesbians might be even more difficult.

I just think that people are overconfident about their observation skills.

It's worse when a gay person may feel uncomfortable revealing their orientation, which really is a shame. But I understand that's definitely an issue in many environments, including certain churches.
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:23
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as it stands he seems like an ok guy with some medieval opinions, personally I respect
Of course you would respect or are indifferent to his medieval opinions, since those opinions wouldn’t have any sort of impact on your life if they took shape through the legal system.
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:27
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He also shows a complete misunderstanding of liberalism and tolerance.

In relation to others, liberal tolerance is not about letting neo-nazis, fascists, alt-righters or religious fundamentalists to freely express their dangerous hateful ideologies and without consequence. Liberalism insists on equal rights for the people that were, and in some cases still are, subject to harsh treatment from the aforementioned groups.

Liberal tolerance is to demand from a society dominated by the influence of religion and racism be more accepting and inclusive of those who are marginalized.
LOL I'm 'HE' now

anyway, again, his views are the same as the 3 main religions on the planet preach, so tell me, why are HIS views winding you up so much? why aren't YOU standing outside the vatican with a placard? ah, thats right, its much easier to just slag people off on the internet then actually personally fight a perceived injustice , jump on that band wagon, get a nice smug feeling about it

everyone is free to boycott whoever the hell they like for whatever reason, I really don't care, upto the point they start trying to recruit others to do the same with some misinformed BS excuse for doing it, will your boycott personally hurt him? nope, not even a little bit, but it can hurt the thousands of people he employs, it that worth it? I'm sure Glarus can absorb a thousand or so low skilled workers into the workforce should this pathetic boycott ever gain legs
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:28
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of course you would respect or are indifferent to his medieval opinions, since those opinions wouldn’t have any sort of impact on your life if they took shape through the legal system.
ffs do not selective quote me
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You might be one for over-sharing but anyone who waltzes into a club or society or church saying "actually I'm gay, does anyone have a problem with that?!" is probably as much of an arsehole as someone who is straight going in there shouting "I love vaginas!"
Strawman much?

I’ve never seen anyone introduce themselves to a new group with shouts of their sexuality, nor have I suggested the encouragement of such behavior.

So if a longtime work colleague or gum buddy raises the question, out of innocent curiosity, if I’m romantically involved with someone, and I tell them I have a boyfriend, that’s oversharing in your book???
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:36
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Strawman much?

I’ve never seen anyone introduce themselves to a new group with shouts of their sexuality, nor have I suggested the encouragement of such behavior.

So if a longtime work colleague or gum buddy raises the question, out of innocent curiosity, if I’m romantically involved with someone, and I tell them I have a boyfriend, that’s oversharing in your book???
You´re nitpicking now.....
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Strawman much?
Or Strawwomen, eh??

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I’ve never seen anyone introduce themselves to a new group with shouts of their sexuality, nor have I suggested the encouragement of such behavior.
Well quite. Actually that means we're on the same page, then.

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So if a longtime work colleague or gum buddy raises the question, out of innocent curiosity, if I’m romantically involved with someone, and I tell them I have a boyfriend, that’s oversharing in your book???
No, but it's also not something that you should lose your mind over. It's whether then that the "gym buddy" (or church group in doropfiz's case) then shuts the door on you.

For me, if someone asked me in the gym "Are you romantically involved with someone", I would be a bit suspicious that they are making a move (Wooooo - still got it, girl! ) and I'd probably just say "Err... yeah, I am thanks" and slink off, but totes check my hair in the mirror and whether my mascara has made it to my chin anyway.
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Old 21.11.2019, 10:50
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

It would appear that some people on this forum still think that being of a minority sexual orientation should mean they should keep quiet and keep any liaisons strictly private lest someone finds out.

Perhaps they may find their vocation in the clergy? (said someone one hundred years ago).

Didn't the U.S. military even drop their "Don't ask, don't tell" policy quite a few years ago?

Hey, and let's throw in a Little Britain stereotype just for safe measure!
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