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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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As I'm supporting children right to live and am frightened by the hostility of LGBTQ+ advocates towards old school "traditional" way of life (non promiscuous monogamous non-x-times-divorced heterosexual family) I'll gladly indulge for the first time in these overpriced chocolates; it's a pity our local coop doesn't sell any...
So, for example, if a woman is gay, you believe she should be denied the right to have any children?

What you're saying is that your sexuality is a lifestyle choice?

Get with it old man.
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I see it like this:

A company is offering a service/product.

Some consumers do no like some aspect of that service/product.

They chose not to buy that product and buy another from another company instead. It's their choice, and their choice alone.

The company can decide to adapt, change its ways or lose customers. It's their choice.

This happens all the time, every minute of every day with consumers of products.

It's what happens in a free market.
Nice to see all the Tories outing themselves in this thread.

Bollocks to the workers, eh? Let them eat schabziger...
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Old 13.09.2019, 20:12
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Nice to see all the Tories outing themselves in this thread.

Bollocks to the workers, eh? Let them eat schabziger...
Er no, simple micro-economics. I'm not stating a view, merely a principle.
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I see it like this:

A company is offering a service/product.

Some consumers do no like some aspect of that service/product.

They chose not to buy that product and buy another from another company instead. It's their choice, and their choice alone.

The company can decide to adapt, change its ways or lose customers. It's their choice.

This happens all the time, every minute of every day with consumers of products.

It's what happens in a free market.
Amen to that, brother! ;-))
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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So, for example, if a woman is gay, you believe she should be denied the right to have any children?

What you're saying is that your sexuality is a lifestyle choice?

Get with it old man.
I did not write it anywhere.
Get with the fact that not everyone shares all your convictions...
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Old 13.09.2019, 20:29
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It's what happens in a free market.
I fully agree Tom (though I wouldn't go as far as saying there is such a thing as a fully free market), it's one's individual choice. Just like it's Läderach's choice to advocate whatever he advocates, and accept the consequences.

It's just that there's no need for moral posturing if the rational argument is sound. Or put the other way round: if there is a need for moral posturing, that may be because the actual argument isn't all that strong, or to keep people from raising doubts ("How dare you!!!").
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As I'm supporting children right to live and am frightened by the hostility of LGBTQ+ advocates towards old school "traditional" way of life (non promiscuous monogamous non-x-times-divorced heterosexual family) I'll gladly indulge for the first time in these overpriced chocolates; it's a pity our local coop doesn't sell any...
Yacek,

I just wanted to say that it takes courage to print your beliefs in the internet, especially since they are no longer mainstream. I agree that hostility is not the way to convert people's views and hope there will come a time when a LGBTQ movement is no longer needed.

I find today's youth far more open-minded and accepting of a person's sexuality as opposed to the older generation. However, Switzerland in general has come a long way in the past two decades and homosexualityand abortion are usually accepted in even the most remote areas of the country.

Läderach will have a few supporters of his "christian" values but most Swiss I know will find him extreme and stupid for placing his company and his employees at risk simply due to his own narcisstic views.

It's a shame, really.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Nice to see all the Tories outing themselves in this thread.

Bollocks to the workers, eh? Let them eat schabziger...
If people switch to a different brand, that increased demand is likely to create jobs there. This is (more or less) a zero-sum game.
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Läderach will have a few supporters of his "christian" values but most Swiss I know will find him extreme and stupid for placing his company and his employees at risk simply due to his own narcisstic views.
Will they care enough to switch permanently? Does outrage last? It's rather long since extinction rebellion was in the news.
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If people switch to a different brand, that increased demand is likely to create jobs there. This is (more or less) a zero-sum game.

Will they care enough to switch permanently? It's rather long since extinction rebellion was in the news.
Great. I'm sure my friends will be chuffed to bits to hear that.

See, the problem is that a boycott isn't very likely to change this old bigot's opinions, but it might well put a few Glarner folk out of work (as well as people who work in the shops, their suppliers and so on). It would be no skin off Mr L's nose, but the working people of this canton have suffered enough over the last few years without hyperprivileged wankers making a stand to show us all how modern and "with it" they are.
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Great. I'm sure my friends will be chuffed to bits to hear that.
So you're going to compensate for the lost revenue yourself?
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So you're going to compensate for the lost revenue yourself?
Lol.
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What you're saying is that your sexuality is a lifestyle choice?
I certainly have known quite a few for whom it is, both women and men.

And no, they were not bi-sexual, they just had straight periods and gay periods.

Tom
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Lol.
If you don't, even though you claim to care about your friends, why should others who don't even know them?
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If you don't, even though you claim to care about your friends, why should others who don't even know them?
Are you drunk?
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Boycotting products for political reasons isn't new.
Maybe one of the highly qualified members of the estimeed forum could guide us laypersons to thescientific publications discussing this?
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There's nothing to answer. Your question doesn't make sense.
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As I'm supporting children right to live and am frightened by the hostility of LGBTQ+ advocates towards old school "traditional" way of life (non promiscuous monogamous non-x-times-divorced heterosexual family) I'll gladly indulge for the first time in these overpriced chocolates; it's a pity our local coop doesn't sell any...
This is one of stupidest things I have read in this forum, and considering the forum, that's quite a feat.

It's the equivalent of saying that we should remove the rights of black people because some of their advocates were a tad too militant, or take away India's independence because not everyone went Ghandi style.

Blanket sentences are not only quite often none sense, they can actually turn dangerous.

If you do not agree that homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals, it's your right to think so. But going on a petty little petulant pouting because some defenders of a cause are militant is absurd.
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This is one of stupidest things I have read in this forum, and considering the forum, that's quite a feat.

It's the equivalent of saying that we should remove the rights of black people because some of their advocates were a tad too militant, or take away India's independence because not everyone went Ghandi style.

Blanket sentences are not only quite often none sense, they can actually turn dangerous.

If you do not agree that homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals, it's your right to think so. But going on a petty little petulant pouting because some defenders of a cause are militant is absurd.
"old school "traditional" way of life (non promiscuous monogamous non-x-times-divorced heterosexual family)"

Because no straight marriages end in divorce and no straight people are promiscuous and non monogamous.

Jesus wept.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Interesting. Nobody mentioned once the freedom of having one's own opinion and voice it too. Which is a fundamental right in Switzerland. And as the whole thread started with Läderach I take it you guys are talking about Switzerland. In fact one's own opinionn is a demand in this country at least four times every year.

Just like a person in Switzerland may not lose their job for their personal political standpoint I guess an owner of a company should not lose business for his personal opinions.

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Quite backward ideas but where do you draw the line for such moral dilemmas?

Anyone on the forum who decided not buy Apple products because of Foxconn labor conditions or not to buy a Volkswagen product because of the environmental scam?
Can't comment on Apple as I don't know about that.
But the VW thing is different: The VW-company tampered the VW products ergo VW products are not trustworthy. No surprise if people act on this latest fact.

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Yacek,

I just wanted to say that it takes courage to print your beliefs in the internet, especially since they are no longer mainstream.....
Interesting remark. Sad sign of the times that having an opinion needs courage now a days. To me the non mainstream opinions are the interesting ones, they cause you to think a little. Nothing more boring than an endless thread or "hear hear" posts.

I don't think it is illegitimate to be against abortion or homosexuality. The point is, each of them are personal decisions - why on earth does either side need to clock the streets demonstrating about it?! Both is legal here, so make your choice. Never mind your neighbour's choice.
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