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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Slowly getting sick and tired of all these activists nowadays. Whether for climate, LGBT rights or extinction, I tune out immediately... The irony is also that typically activists are very intolerant people...
Agree, no better than religious extremists.

Freedom means accepting diversity (of thought) and also developing a bit of a thick skin so you don't revert to demanding elimination whenever you are 'offended'.
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I'd say a "balanced view".
I was in it to call out virtue signaling. For which I got one red blob and one green one - fairly well balanced!
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Agree, no better than religious extremists.

Freedom means accepting diversity (of thought)
No, that is complete crap. No-one has to accept anything they believe is fundamentally wrong (yup, including Mr. Laderach) as long as they conduct themselves within legal boundaries. Does 'freedom and accepting diversity' by your broad and overly-generalised logic mean one has to accept Neo-Nazi views? Racism? Extreme prejudice? Suppression of human rights? No, of course not.

As I said, Mr. Laderach is of course also allowed to believe what he wants, but he will naturally be strongly opposed as his beliefs on anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality are contrary to accepted standards of equality and liberalism that we in the West hold dear. We generally want gay people to live normal happy lives with the right to express themselves and have families. We generally want women to have the conscious choice with what they do with their own body, even if that means ending a life growing within them.

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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

The argument has probably already been made, however it does seem odd to me that a small Glarus based Swiss Chocolatier should be targeted when most of Africa and Asia have very strict laws on homosexuality, and much of Latin America, Africa and South Asia have strict laws regarding abortion.
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The argument has probably already been made, however it does seem odd to me that a small Glarus based Swiss Chocolatier should be targeted when most of Africa and Asia have very strict laws on homosexuality, and much of Latin America, Africa and South Asia have strict laws regarding abortion.
What's your favourite brand of African truffles?

No, me neither.
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The argument has probably already been made, however it does seem odd to me that a small Glarus based Swiss Chocolatier should be targeted when most of Africa and Asia have very strict laws on homosexuality, and much of Latin America, Africa and South Asia have strict laws regarding abortion.
Not sure the point has been made yet. Whataboutery tends to come back to bite one on the arse later in the thread.
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The argument has probably already been made, however it does seem odd to me that a small Glarus based Swiss Chocolatier should be targeted when most of Africa and Asia have very strict laws on homosexuality, and much of Latin America, Africa and South Asia have strict laws regarding abortion.
laderach just opened a store here in Singapore

https://www.laderach.com.sg/store-location/
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Does 'freedom and accepting diversity' by your broad and overly-generalised logic mean one has to accept Neo-Nazi views? Racism? Extreme prejudice? Suppression of human rights? No, of course not.
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What do you have against diversity and other people's reactivity?

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laderach just opened a store here in Singapore

https://www.laderach.com.sg/store-location/
Which means his business is doing just fine, in case someone worried...;-)
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Not sure the point has been made yet. Whataboutery tends to come back to bite one on the arse later in the thread.
Oh yes, my mistake for getting involved in some good ol fashioned selective outrage.

Adios, I’ll be sure to buy some Läderach on the way home tonight.
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The argument has probably already been made, however it does seem odd to me that a small Glarus based Swiss Chocolatier should be targeted when most of Africa and Asia have very strict laws on homosexuality, and much of Latin America, Africa and South Asia have strict laws regarding abortion.
I don't think he's "targeted" that much though. There might be a few voices/actions here and there but nothing they're really afraid of, I suppose. I hope you realise that our corner of internet is more like a storm in a glass of water..
Why don't you ask Laderach if they experienced a drop in sales lately? At least you would know if you have a real reason to be outraged.
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Oh yes, my mistake for getting involved in some good ol fashioned selective outrage.
Yeah, all those outraged people going out of their way to make an ol'fashioned protes... Oh wait.

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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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What's your favourite brand of African truffles?

No, me neither.
not stopping you filling your car with petrol either eh?
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Adios, I’ll be sure to buy some Läderach on the way home tonight.
They've opened a branch in Omsk already?
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No, that is complete crap. No-one has to accept anything they believe is fundamentally wrong (yup, including Mr. Laderach) as long as they conduct themselves within legal boundaries. Does 'freedom and accepting diversity' by your broad and overly-generalised logic mean one has to accept Neo-Nazi views? Racism? Extreme prejudice? Suppression of human rights? No, of course not.

Mr. Laderach of course also allowed to believe what he wants, but he will naturally be strongly opposed as his beliefs on anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality are contrary to accepted standards of equality and liberalism that we in the West hold dear. We generally want gay people to live normal happy lives with the right to express themselves and have families. We generally want women to have the conscious choice with what they do with their own body, even if that means ending a life growing within them.
"complete crap"
"no one has to accept anything"

and then "your broad and overly-generalised logic"

to be frank, you appear to lean towards imposing your view on the world - like a good old fashioned fascist

buy a ticket to Raqqa and give your sermon there (especially your use of the "we" word - religious extremists are just like you... claiming a monopoly on the 'truth')

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The argument has probably already been made, however it does seem odd to me that a small Glarus based Swiss Chocolatier should be targeted when most of Africa and Asia have very strict laws on homosexuality, and much of Latin America, Africa and South Asia have strict laws regarding abortion.
So if we criticise something local to the country we love and live in, we automatically then have to take some kind of action against the rest of the known world that has similar ideals, regardless of the religious or dictatorial regimes they are living under or if they are simply third-world countries with almost zero education, infrastructure and democracy compared to ours?

You sure do love these kindergarten-level logical fallacies, don't you Mr. Clifton.

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"complete crap"
"no one has to accept anything"

and then "your broad and overly-generalised logic"

to be frank, you appear to lean towards imposing your view on the world - like a good old fashioned fascist

buy a ticket to Raqqa and give your sermon there (especially your use of the "we" word - religious extremists are just like you... claiming a monopoly on the 'truth')
Goodness grief... where to even begin with nonsense like that?

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to be frank, you appear to lean towards imposing your view on the word - like a good old fashioned fascist
Lol, our Chuff is many things (oh, you have no idea how many things!), but "a good old fashioned fascist"?

You must be new here...
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So if we criticise something local to the country we love and live in, we automatically then have to take some kind of action against the rest of the known world that has similar ideals, regardless of the religious or dictatorial regimes they are living under or if they are simply third-world countries with almost zero education, infrastructure and democracy compared to ours?

You sure do love these kindergarten-level logical fallacies, don't you Mr. Clifton.
Selective outrage - the hallmark of the special snowflakes who get emotional about some people having more conservative views and then of course go back to drinking their 15 CHF coffee while speaking on their iPhone (for which both: little africans had to suffer).
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Selective outrage - the hallmark of the special snowflakes who get emotional about some people having more conservative views and then of course go back to drinking their 15 CHF coffee while speaking on their iPhone (for which both: little africans had to suffer).
Crikey, I never had you pegged as a sjw. They seem to come in all sorts of guises these days.

Selective outrage works both ways, though. TC's rage-shopping for a choccy bar because he read an internet thread that he disagreed with is either selective outrage or his period is due.
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Crikey, I never had you pegged as a sjw. They seem to come in all sorts of guises these days.

Selective outrage works both ways, though. TC's rage-shopping for a choccy bar because he read an internet thread that he disagreed with is either selective outrage or his period is due.
To be fair, I did exactly the same when Chuff first started this thread, and would have shared the photos too if EF weren't still operating on Windows XP.

Next thread: "Chuff gave me diabetes. How do I make him pay?"
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Selective outrage - the hallmark of the special snowflakes who get emotional about some people having more conservative views and then of course go back to drinking their 15 CHF coffee while speaking on their iPhone (for which both: little africans had to suffer).
Ahh yes, so anyone who opposes activism against gay and abortion rights is a ... snowflake? This must mean you accept these things as normal and tolerable, which says a lot about your character and ideals.

You also say "selective outrage" as though it's a bad thing and I think without even really knowing what it is you even mean. It means I am making a conscious decision to oppose something that I fundamentally disagree with, in whatever limited capacity I can (ie: raising attention here and no longer myself buying their products).

PS: I have my own bean-to-cup coffee machine and I don't have an iPhone.
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