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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Ahh yes, so anyone who opposes activism against gay and abortion rights is a ... snowflake? This must mean you accept these things as normal and tolerable, which says a lot about your character.
No, that's NOT what it means. It means I appreciate that there is a wide range of views some of which I agree with, some not... some of which I am comfortable with, some not. Very large parts of the world have views on gay and abortion rights which are different than yours (for a range of reasons) and it's absurd to brand all those people as Untermenschen.

I am sure the gay community will be very impressed with your boycott of a luxury chocolate brand though. Such a sacrifice you are making for the cause.
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Old 09.12.2019, 09:53
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Ahh yes, so anyone who opposes activism against gay and abortion rights is a ...
You're right! Läderach is making only heterosexual chocolate and refuses to sell to anyone who has had an abortion, the abortion scanners are hidden in the automatic doors
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No, that's NOT what it means. It means I appreciate that there is a wide range of views some of which I agree with, some not... some of which I am comfortable with, some not. Very large parts of the world have views on gay and abortion rights which are different than yours (for a range of reasons) and it's absurd to brand all those people as Untermenschen.

I am sure the gay community will be very impressed with your boycott of a luxury chocolate brand though. Such a sacrifice you are making for the cause.
I find your logic ridiculous and you seem like the kind of character that is absolutely not worth wasting my time by entering into any further debate with. Lets agree to disagree.

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For someone so bothered by the views held Mr. Läderach, the casual prejudice you display is quite amusing. More so as you seem oblivious to it. You’re not alone though, the world is full of people all too willing to give excuses on others behalf's because "they're not capable of knowing better".

I don't agree with a lot of what Peter Tatchell says, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for him because he's willing to go to places in the world where the message needs to be heard, and where it takes real guts to do so. Far more so than calling for the boycott of a small family owned Chocolatier.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

well we bought shit loads of Laderach at the weekend for the christmas period, except I've started eating it already

Oh well
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well we bought shit loads of Laderach at the weekend for the christmas period, except I've started eating it already

Oh well
They key question is, is it better than Lindt? Enquiring minds etc etc. Mind you I do like those gold bunnies.
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So if we criticise something local to the country we love and live in, we automatically then have to take some kind of action against the rest of the known world that has similar ideals, regardless of the religious or dictatorial regimes they are living under or if they are simply third-world countries with almost zero education, infrastructure and democracy compared to ours?

You sure do love these kindergarten-level logical fallacies, don't you Mr. Clifton.
For someone so bothered by the views held Mr. Läderach, the casual prejudice you display is quite amusing. More so as you seem oblivious to it. You’re not alone though, the world is full of people all too willing to give excuses on others behalf's because "they're not capable of knowing better".

I don't agree with a lot of what Peter Tatchell says, but I have a hell of a lot of respect for him because he's willing to go to places in the world where the message needs to be heard, and where it takes real guts to do so. Far more so than calling for the boycott of a small family owned Chocolatier.
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They key question is, is it better than Lindt? Enquiring minds etc etc. Mind you I do like those gold bunnies.
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Old 09.12.2019, 10:06
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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They key question is, is it better than Lindt? Enquiring minds etc etc. Mind you I do like those gold bunnies.
Lindt isn't even in the same league
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Far more so than calling for the boycott of a small family owned Chocolatier.
It's interesting the way you choose to play the victim card (on Laderach's behalf may I add), they're not small by any standards, they're a corporation with branches in different countries. You described them as if they were a small bakery which is about to close in a small Swiss town - I just heard about our local bakery btw and am pretty sad for them.

I almost cried when I read your post though...

Seriously, do you really believe they need your outrage?
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That doesn't answer my question now does it?


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Lindt isn't even in the same league
Oh dear. Is Laderach that bad?

I'll stick with Hotel Chocolat then
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Quit your job, get a passport, and travel for a few years, please.
Marrakesch first, then Ibiza, presumably? In a rainbow painted VW camper? Perhaps go to Pakistan and Afghanistan and enjoy the kef, maaan?
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Old 09.12.2019, 10:24
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Läderach is the national chocolate there! I am hearing Saudi Arabia is following suit soon too
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... are contrary to accepted standards of equality and liberalism that we in the West hold dear...
A minority of people, I'd venture to propose. A minority are against those standards preferring the standards of 20 or 50 or more years ago, and the majority are happy to go along with the way things are (whatever that is, whenever it is), so long as nobody (especially them) gets hurt.

Fashions change. As soon as the majority feel their security is threatened, they current accepted standards of decency are amenable to change, not necessarily for the better. (For a given standard of better).

In the West, we've been in a bull market for liberalism for quite a while. But values may to up or down and ast performance is no guarantee of future performance. (To paraphrase investment warnings).
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Old 09.12.2019, 11:33
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In the West, we've been in a bull market for liberalism for quite a while.
The wrong type of liberalism though. The type that says "I'm liberal as long as you agree with me, but if you disagree with me you're a bad person" or in short, the Chuff type of liberalism.
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As I said, Mr. Laderach is of course also allowed to believe what he wants, but he will naturally be strongly opposed as his beliefs on anti-abortion and anti-homosexuality are contrary to accepted standards of equality and liberalism that we in the West hold dear.
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A minority of people, I'd venture to propose.
Hmm. While it's perhaps true that anti-whatever views are now more publicly expressed than they were 20 years ago, I don't see that as a sign that the liberal views espoused here are only held by a minority. What do you base that on?
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hmm. While it's perhaps true that anti-whatever views are now more publicly expressed than they were 20 years ago, i don't see that as a sign that the liberal views espoused here are only held by a minority. What do you base that on?
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Fashions change. As soon as the majority feel their security is threatened, they current accepted standards of decency are amenable to change, not necessarily for the better.
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Freedom means accepting diversity (of thought) and also developing a bit of a thick skin so you don't revert to demanding elimination whenever you are 'offended'.
I could have agreed on this one had I not seen countless times (on this forum only) that exactly those who claim they're only in favour of freedom of speech and diversity, are also the first ones to be up in their arms and extremely vocal and mean at the first attempts of opposition. Even kind, civil and polite, articulated opposition.

Do what you preach, as they say. When will you start to develop a thick skin and not care so much of what other people say or do?
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Aggressive posts from either side just become loud noise.
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