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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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With really really high quality chocolate. I know this place...



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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Shame on them!
Mixing Chocolate with fundamentalism.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

So the bottom line is that the OP wants to rally against Laderach because he is a defender of gay/abortion rights. And he wants to do so buy eating more Lindt chocolate?

None of those rights by the way which are being violated in any way, shape or form by the Laderach firm.

So what the OP really appears to want is to be the 'thought police' who silences people who are using their constitutional rights to have their views and express their opinions. Sounds fascist to me. Of course, OP would probably not think too kindly of people eager to silence his voice or eliminate his thoughts.

A song by the Manic Street Preachers comes to mind...

In the meantime, I'll see if I can order a substantial amount of Laderach chocolate to hand out to friends and colleagues. Eating chocolate to support free speech and protest against fascism - I love it!

And let's be realistic, take a random gay person and ask what pisses them off more, Laderach chocolate or Isis throwing gays off of roof tops, I think we all know what the consistent answer will be...
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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So the bottom line is that the OP wants to rally against Laderach because he is a defender of gay/abortion rights. And he wants to do so buy eating more Lindt chocolate?

None of those rights by the way which are being violated in any way, shape or form by the Laderach firm.

So what the OP really appears to want is to be the 'thought police' who silences people who are using their constitutional rights to have their views and express their opinions. Sounds fascist to me. Of course, OP would probably not think too kindly of people eager to silence his voice or eliminate his thoughts.

A song by the Manic Street Preachers comes to mind...

In the meantime, I'll see if I can order a substantial amount of Laderach chocolate to hand out to friends and colleagues. Eating chocolate to support free speech and protest against fascism - I love it!
Sooooo...giving out expensive present on a pretex of supporting ethics?

Do you need one more person to send the choc to? (Darkest. Roast whole almonds)
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Hard to do that, mate.
Even more so when your moral outrage is in reality wafer thin
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Even more so when your moral outrage is in reality wafer thin
We EEs don't waste time outraging. We burn ourselves on a stake, or get burnt on a stake.

But we also think chocolate and candy is for the kids.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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I've never made my own, often wanted to. Where should I start, in your opinion?
Internet. Internet can be a wonderful thing too.

I have made my own only a few times, so I'm no expert. I've picked recipes that looked somehow appealing, or the combination of ingredients made me hope the result would be the one I craved for. (I had a grandaunt who made really good chocolate and always brought a lot when she visited, other than that epic chocolate I also remember a school colleague's mom too, it was one of her specialties at his birthdays. Why didn't I ask for the recipes? More preoccupied with savouring it at that age.... )

...I'll let you know if I find something that has really convinced me.

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We EEs don't waste time outraging. We burn ourselves on a stake, or get burnt on a stake.

But we also think chocolate and candy is for the kids.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Internet. Internet can be a wonderful thing too.

I have made my own only a few times, so I'm no expert. I've picked recipes that looked somehow appealing, or the combination of ingredients made me hope the result would be the one I craved for. (I had a grandaunt who made really good chocolate and always brought a lot when she visited, other than that epic chocolate I also remember a school colleague's mom too, it was one of her specialties at his birthdays. Why didn't I ask for the recipes? More preoccupied with savouring it at that age.... )

...I'll let you know if I find something that has really convinced me.
Just getting the cocoa beans might be the first challenge.

But I'm sure somebody will post a link proving me wrong.
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Just getting the cocoa beans might be the first challenge.

But I'm sure somebody will post a link proving me wrong.
Depending on the recipe. Cocoa powder, mass or cocoa butter can be found quite easily. Not to mention milk powder, imho that's what it gives homemade chocolate its specific taste. You may argue that's no real chocolate perhaps, that's another thing....de gustibus and all that.
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Just getting the cocoa beans might be the first challenge.

But I'm sure somebody will post a link proving me wrong.
Your wish is my command

http://pronatec.com/en/products-orga...materials.html
https://samaranatura.ch/search?sSearch=Kakaobohnen
https://www.keimling.ch/kakaobohnen.html

There are more.
Next problem?
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Next problem?
Which rare type of wood to use to roast the beans?
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Which rare type of wood to use to roast the beans?
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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So the bottom line is that the OP wants to rally against Laderach because he is a defender of gay/abortion rights. And he wants to do so buy eating more Lindt chocolate?
It's his prerogative.

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None of those rights by the way which are being violated in any way, shape or form by the Laderach firm.
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Not so sure about that, it has been discussed before and we couldn't reach an agreement..(not that it really counts irl). I think you're right on this one though. Even so, things like this are disturbing for those concerned. For sure you can understand that, no?

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So what the OP really appears to want is to be the 'thought police' who silences people who are using their constitutional rights to have their views and express their opinions. Sounds fascist to me. Of course, OP would probably not think too kindly of people eager to silence his voice or eliminate his thoughts.
Not all people, just the Laderach guy. Not silence him, just oppose his views/opinions. Don't think Chuff believes he can control people's thoughts.

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In the meantime, I'll see if I can order a substantial amount of Laderach chocolate to hand out to friends and colleagues. Eating chocolate to support free speech and protest against fascism - I love it!
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And let's be realistic, take a random gay person and ask what pisses them off more, Laderach chocolate or Isis throwing gays off of roof tops, I think we all know what the consistent answer will be...
I guess the isis thing is such a far away problem for people living here, don't know if they can see things this way.

Bottom line is that some people get caught in old fashioned protests and as long as they are protesting within legal limits (like the Laderach guy you say)....there's probably nothing that someone else can do about it. You should have read the thread from the beginning, there were more voices against Laderach but for some reasons the outrage has diminished. See? Nothing to be worried about.

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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

This entire forum, and perhaps the whole country, is dominated by ignorant, right-wing people who cannot accept anything other than a less glorious viewpoint of Switzerland. For most, Switzerland is supposed to be the perfect dream land where there is no crime (the very core of banking system is based on encouraging criminal behavior and stashing ill gotten wealth here safely), no corruption, no racism, no homophobia (they don't even have gay marriage), no sexism (this country has some of the extremely archaic, anti-female policies and corporate culture). Instead, we are supposed to believe there's perfect equality and the "system" here just works at 100% efficiency and perfection. I have been noticing this forum's and the country's "culture" for quite a while now, and any criticism is met with a quick backlash with any/all of below counter (silly) arguments:

1. Plain denial. No, it cannot be that way. The perpetrator didn't mean it / You misunderstood it, etc.

2. It is worse elsewhere, therefore things aren't so bad here. Citing examples of developing countries, ISIS etc. Or, it's happening at other places, e.g. VW, Apple etc.

3. Criticizing the approach of any counter-action, questioning it's effectiveness - as if doing nothing is the most ideal reaction.

4. Plain trivialization and digression to a different topic.

5. Calling anyone a "thought police" who writes about any negative event.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

If you are in the habit of making such reckless and libelous statements on an internet forum:

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Switzerland is supposed to be the perfect dream land where there is no crime (the very core of banking system is based on encouraging criminal behavior and stashing ill gotten wealth here safely), . . .
You are very likely to encounter this:

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. . .and any criticism is met with a quick backlash with any/all of below counter (silly) arguments . . .
If you don't like it here, clear off to somewhere where your observations and opinions are more likely to be indulged.
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This entire forum, and perhaps the whole country, is dominated by ignorant, right-wing people who cannot accept anything other than a less glorious viewpoint of Switzerland.
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This entire forum, and perhaps the whole country, is dominated by ignorant, right-wing people who cannot accept anything other than a less glorious viewpoint of Switzerland. For most, Switzerland is supposed to be the perfect dream land where there is no crime (the very core of banking system is based on encouraging criminal behavior and stashing ill gotten wealth here safely), no corruption, no racism, no homophobia (they don't even have gay marriage), no sexism (this country has some of the extremely archaic, anti-female policies and corporate culture). Instead, we are supposed to believe there's perfect equality and the "system" here just works at 100% efficiency and perfection. I have been noticing this forum's and the country's "culture" for quite a while now, and any criticism is met with a quick backlash with any/all of below counter (silly) arguments:

1. Plain denial. No, it cannot be that way. The perpetrator didn't mean it / You misunderstood it, etc.

2. It is worse elsewhere, therefore things aren't so bad here. Citing examples of developing countries, ISIS etc. Or, it's happening at other places, e.g. VW, Apple etc.

3. Criticizing the approach of any counter-action, questioning it's effectiveness - as if doing nothing is the most ideal reaction.

4. Plain trivialization and digression to a different topic.

5. Calling anyone a "thought police" who writes about any negative event.
You post sounds like a bitter person making some pretty large exaggerations. I think most people are realistic about Switzerlands pro's and con's (of course it isn't perfect, but what is?), but when you add it all up and average it all out Switzerland is still one of the most amazing placed to live in this increasingly volatile world.

Compared to the increasingly second-world UK it is a veritable paradise.
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