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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Is there such a thing as just discrimination?
And if so, what's the definiton, what does it look like?
Applying statistics to people ?
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There's nothing to answer. Your question doesn't make sense.
Neither does your reproach.
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Interesting. Nobody mentioned once the freedom of having one's own opinion and voice it too. Which is a fundamental right in Switzerland. And as the whole thread started with Läderach I take it you guys are talking about Switzerland. In fact one's own opinionn is a demand in this country at least four times every year.

Just like a person in Switzerland may not lose their job for their personal political standpoint I guess an owner of a company should not lose business for his personal opinions.


Can't comment on Apple as I don't know about that.
But the VW thing is different: The VW-company tampered the VW products ergo VW products are not trustworthy. No surprise if people act on this latest fact.


Interesting remark. Sad sign of the times that having an opinion needs courage now a days. To me the non mainstream opinions are the interesting ones, they cause you to think a little. Nothing more boring than an endless thread or "hear hear" posts.

I don't think it is illegitimate to be against abortion or homosexuality. The point is, each of them are personal decisions - why on earth does either side need to clock the streets demonstrating about it?! Both is legal here, so make your choice. Never mind your neighbour's choice.
So if the owner of Läderach was an avowed NAZI, in your mind he shouldn't lose any Jewish customers?

Bizarre.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Applying statistics to people ?
Applying statistics with n=1 ??
Or do I misunderstand you, do you mean to say you can't generalise these cases, each one is distinct?
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So if the owner of Läderach was an avowed NAZI, in your mind he shouldn't lose any Jewish customers?

Bizarre.
And we're back to my question:
"Is there such a thing as just discrimination?
And if so, what's the definiton, what does it look like? When is discrimination justified? "

Ok, Nazis. Accepted. What else?
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Applying statistics with n=1 ??
Or do I misunderstand you, do you mean to say you can't generalise these cases, each one is distinct?

And we're back to my question:
"Is there such a thing as just discrimination?
And if so, what's the definiton, what does it look like? When is discrimination justified? "

Ok, Nazis. Accepted. What else?
It all depends where your morals lie.

For me it is stopping people living a full life (or value judging) based on characteristics beyond their control, i.e. Race, Sexuality etc. You choose whether you're a Nazi, you don't choose your sexuality. If what you are doing doesn't harm anyone else, have at it.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Out of curiosity, how many of you used to buy chocolate from Laderach (before hearing about their views) if not daily at least say 3 times a week so that your decision would make a difference?

Me, I confess: very rarely. They're expensive. Refined, sure. When I want to give someone chocolate as gift I might choose them. For me personally.....nah, Lindt is luxurious enough. And cheaper.
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Out of curiosity, how many of you used to buy chocolate from Laderach if not daily at least say 3 times a week so that your decision would make a difference?

Me, I confess: very rarely. They're expensive. Refined, sure. When I want to give someone chocolate as gift I might choose them. For me personally.....nah, Lindt is luxurious enough. And cheaper.
My daily chocolate fix is Coop's own brand cornflake chocolate, but I always choose Läderach for presents, and a couple of times a year for personal indulgence.

But, as you can probably tell from this thread, I'm personally invested in this matter: they're a well known, distinctively local brand, and I know people who work for them, so naturally I want to support them, especially against the big, ugly brands like Lindt.

We don't all have the luxury of choosing an employer with righteous opinions: a job's a job, and these workers do a bloody good job, whatever their boss is like.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

Way too expensive for me... i hardly ever buy chocolate (makes you big'n'fat) but i do look forward to buying a chocolate bunny or 2 after easter, when they're on discount. I like the type of chocolate used in chocolate figures the best, is somehow more gooey...
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....but the working people of this canton have suffered enough over the last few years...
Glarus unemployment rate in August 1.2%. 7th lowest by canton in Switzerland. GDP per head is roughly midfield. So why do you think Glarus is suffering especially?
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Glarus unemployment rate in August 1.2%. 7th lowest by canton in Switzerland. GDP per head is roughly midfield. So why do you think Glarus is suffering especially?
Who said anything about "especially"? Is this a competition?
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

AFAIK, a lot of Läderach's sales is towards tourists.
They will likely never know. And few will care. Well, maybe these days more would care, given the aforementioned virtue-signaling being en-vogue very much.

The chocolate is nice, but a bit too sweet (that darker blends are better in this respect).

The appeal of the chocolate is that it's very fresh. And because it's rather sweet, it tastes very good and you often find yourself eating way more than you originally wanted. I don't come near any of the shops often, so I almost never buy any.

Boycotting is easy, if you just buy another brand.
Not buying any chocolate would be more honest.

It reminds me of those people who boycotted Shell in wake of the "Brent Spar" disaster and just went with another brand - though the real problem was oil as a whole. It was the most ridiculous and hypocritical thing I had ever seen back then.

Maybe you want to go through your cupboard and look up who made each of the products you buy and who sells them, then look up the biographies of all the executives and all the board-members of the companies involved and rate them according to your world-view, giving scores for various "offenses"?
Then, if a brand crosses a certain threshold, switch to another brand.
You might want to go one further and even comb the supplier reports of those companies, see if they do business with somebody you don't like?

The guy didn't kill anybody, he (hopefully) rapes no one and pays his taxes. His opinions are legal, if a bit strange.

The whole thing is a first-world-problem par-excellence.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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I personally tolerate Laderach chocolate, but actively pursue Cadbury.
Isn't Cadbury's chocolate technically cheese?

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And if so, what's the definiton, what does it look like? When is discrimination justified?
According to activists, discrimination is justified, against anyone doesn't wholeheartedly agree with them, as they are automatically completely wrong and evil.

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...making a stand to show us all how modern and "with it" they are.
It's called being "woke". Personally I am entirely slept and happy with it.

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And no, they were not bi-sexual, they just had straight periods and gay periods.
Except the trans-women. They don't have any periods.
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Boycotting is easy, if you just buy another brand.
Not buying any chocolate would be more honest.
Why, do all owners of chocolate brands have the same fundamentalist views?

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The whole thing is a first-world-problem par-excellence.
Not really. Boycotting companies has been done for years, sometimes by individuals, sometimes by whole countries, sometimes by both, and with either real, measurable results in loss in revenue or raised public-awareness world-wide.

Examples:

Look at the boycott of Nestle in the 1970s due to their persistence in forcing breast-milk substitutes on poor, third world countries. Even the whole U.S. was part of the boycott of Nestle products. (oh, another Swiss company...)

Barclays, a U.K. bank, was forced to pull out of South Africa due to it's pro-apartheid stance. As most people seem to stay with the same bank through their lives, they probably still have a loss of revenue due to few Student customers in the early 80s. (They lost nearly 15% of the student market).

Nowadays, customer boycotts don't affect revenue too much but the media coverage generated (much more powerful and far-reaching now because of the internet) can affect share price due to a negative view of the company.

Companies do change because of this.

I believe that you are wrong in suggesting that these acts are a first world problem as ultimately, they affect the third world too (but not in this particular example, but certainly in others).
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This is one of stupidest things I have read in this forum, and considering the forum, that's quite a feat.

It's the equivalent of saying that we should remove the rights of black people because some of their advocates were a tad too militant, or take away India's independence because not everyone went Ghandi style.

Blanket sentences are not only quite often none sense, they can actually turn dangerous.

If you do not agree that homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals, it's your right to think so. But going on a petty little petulant pouting because some defenders of a cause are militant is absurd.
This completely out-of-proportion comment simply proves I am right.
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Isn't Cadbury's chocolate technically cheese?
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Don't know, don't care. Is delightfully delicious. Also Thorntons. And Green and Black (who, come to think of it, are also owned by Cadbury (Kraft))
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Don't know, don't care. Is delightfully delicious. Also Thorntons. And Green and Black (who, come to think of it, are also owned by Cadbury (Kraft))
I have almost gone off Cadburys and do not buy it that often because of the sugar, far too sweet.. I say almost, because if you offered me some, I'd happily scoff the lot.

Green&Blacks dark choc is fab.
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Why, do all owners of chocolate brands have the same fundamentalist views?



It's fringe opinion.
By drawing it into the public light, you give it more visibility and credibility than it probably deserves.
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Why, do all owners of chocolate brands have the same fundamentalist views?



Not really. Boycotting companies has been done for years, sometimes by individuals, sometimes by whole countries, sometimes by both, and with either real, measurable results in loss in revenue or raised public-awareness world-wide.

Examples:

Look at the boycott of Nestle in the 1970s due to their persistence in forcing breast-milk substitutes on poor, third world countries. Even the whole U.S. was part of the boycott of Nestle products. (oh, another Swiss company...)

Barclays, a U.K. bank, was forced to pull out of South Africa due to it's pro-apartheid stance. As most people seem to stay with the same bank through their lives, they probably still have a loss of revenue due to few Student customers in the early 80s. (They lost nearly 15% of the student market).

Nowadays, customer boycotts don't affect revenue too much but the media coverage generated (much more powerful and far-reaching now because of the internet) can affect share price due to a negative view of the company.

Companies do change because of this.

I believe that you are wrong in suggesting that these acts are a first world problem as ultimately, they affect the third world too (but not in this particular example, but certainly in others).
I agree....I personally find it difficult to avoid buying certain products and it's kind of stressful to think all the time if you like a certain company or not (they're all big ugly corporations these days, no illusions here).
I think we all protest and comment on things we don't like or think are unfair and need to be "addressed", so why pointing a finger to OP or anyone else who disapproves of Laderach's ownership. It's hypocritical. Especially on EF, the outrage space by definition.

Unfortunately, people who work for this company have no control over what their employers do or say. If my friends worked for this company, I would think thrice before posting anything here. So things are not always black and white.

I really doubt the old man will ever change his views....as they say - old dogs don't learn new tricks. How influential he is actually? It doesn't look like SVP has their way usually.
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Thinking a bit more about it; at least they serve everyone equally and it’s not one of those nutjob ‘we’re not providing you with a wedding cake for your gay wedding’ businesses.

Yes, the attitude is outdated and probably a crap marketing strategy but at least you can buy (eye-wateringly expensive) chocolate there whatever your religion, colour or sexual orientation without someone marching you out into the street with a flea in your ear because the shop assistant ‘disapproves’.
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Re: Laderach (Läderach)... run by anti-gay and anti-abortion religious fundamentalist

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Thinking a bit more about it; at least they serve everyone equally and it’s not one of those nutjob ‘we’re not providing you with a wedding cake for your gay wedding’ businesses.

Yes, the attitude is outdated and probably a crap marketing strategy but at least you can buy (eye-wateringly expensive) chocolate there whatever your religion, colour or sexual orientation without someone marching you out into the street with a flea in your ear because the shop assistant ‘disapproves’.
I never knew about this brand until this thread. I'm hardly a chocolate connoisseur and I'm happy with a Dairy Milk whole nut.

This chocolate looks delicious and I will probably buy it now. Sorry to all the homosexuals out there in advance
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